Bross Solution: New Summit?

[MtHurd Profile 14er Peak List (57) 14ers in Winter (4)13er Peak List (29)]

Maybe someone could hack the USGS database and swap the Bross and Grizzly Peak (Sawatch) elevations.

[Chicago Transplant Profile 14er Peak List (56) 14ers Skied (5)14ers in Winter (18)13er Peak List (429)Trip Reports]

Maybe someone could hack the USGS database and swap the Bross and Grizzly Peak (Sawatch) elevations.

Or just pile up 12' of rocks in the saddle between Cameron and Bross so that Bross loses its status as a ranked 14er

[Chicago Transplant Profile 14er Peak List (56) 14ers Skied (5)14ers in Winter (18)13er Peak List (429)Trip Reports]

The signs on the trail say:

"Entering Private Property Stay On Trail"

The one below the summit says:

"No Public Access To Mt Bross - Trail Closed"

Danceswithmoonrise has pics of them in this TR:

http://14ers.com/php14ers/tripreport.php?trip=7717&parmpeak=Mt.+Lincoln&start=50&cpgm=tripmain&ski=Include

Nothing seems to specifically say "no trespassing" nor does it really indicate Bross is private. Could be closed for erosion for all anyone knows if it wasn't for all us publicly debating it all the time. I tend to agree with Kevin, the route is not signed and by Title 18, you could walk up it if you wanted to and not be criminally trespassing. As to civil suits, well, if people can't find the owners, I guess they can't find you either?

[BillMiddlebrook]

The signs have definitely caused some confusion and will probably be changed this summer.

[MountainHiker Profile Website 14er Peak List (58) 14ers in Winter (2)13er Peak List (92)Trip Reports]

The signs have definitely caused some confusion and will probably be changed this summer.

So will the new signs say?

PRIVATE PROPERTY
(But don’t worry about it)
Owner’s whereabouts unknown
USFS, CFI & City of Alma's councils just wanted to cover their butts!

[coloradokevin Profile 14er Peak List (15) Trip Reports]

The signs have definitely caused some confusion and will probably be changed this summer.

Do you know what changes to these signs will take place? Also, do you know who erected these signs in the first place (I'm guessing it wasn't the property owner, based on the info you provided earlier in this thread, and was thinking that it was the USFS --- I'm assuming you know for sure)?

I guess the thing that gets me about the signs is why anyone is putting them up in the first place (other than the rightful owner of the property). Realistically, I can't walk next door and post my neighbor's yard, and they can't post mine. So, why is the USFS/CFI/weird guy in Alma/etc going to the trouble of posting this particular plot?

[BillMiddlebrook]

CFI put up the signs, I believe at the request of the land owner. They were simply meant to keep hikers on the trail and inform them that the Bross summit is closed and to stay on the loop trail. Not sure how they will be reworded.

[cheeseburglar Profile 14er Peak List (58) 14ers in Winter (2)13er Peak List (36)Trip Reports]

CFI put up the signs, I believe at the request of the land owner. They were simply meant to keep hikers on the trail and inform them that the Bross summit is closed and to stay on the loop trail. Not sure how they will be reworded.

How about:
"Stay on the trail and off the high part of the scree pile.
Don't fall in holes in the ground.
Please pick up your litter and dog poo.
We love Bross Peak. Sincerely, 14ers.com"

[coloradokevin Profile 14er Peak List (15) Trip Reports]

CFI put up the signs, I believe at the request of the land owner. They were simply meant to keep hikers on the trail and inform them that the Bross summit is closed and to stay on the loop trail. Not sure how they will be reworded.

Well, I can appreciate the "stay on the trail" signs, as too many folks cut switchbacks and whatnot on various trails that are erosion prone. For the rest of my overly opinionated opinion, see any of my 18 other posts in this thread

[Craig Cook Profile 14er Peak List (9) Trip Reports]

CFI put up the signs, I believe at the request of the land owner.

So nobody can find the landowner, but the landowner found CFI? How does that work?

[jeremy27 Profile 14er Peak List (32) 14ers in Winter (3)13er Peak List (30)]

My wife and I attempted to follow Bill's proposed route to the public summit. Bill's plan would require some trail work at the point that you turn off of the standard trail but once you got up onto the Bross "plain" you could put up a public summit that would likely be acceptable to a fair number of hikers. There is even a decent wind-block mound to the SE of the true summit, still on the plain and public land, which isn't noticeably higher or lower than the rest of the plain. That might work for the public summit and it's already built. If the idea takes off I'd be happy to help. Otherwise I'll probably never be back to enjoy the majesty of Bross again. Yuck.

[myfeetrock Profile 14er Peak List (11) 13er Peak List (2)Trip Reports]

Maybe someone could hack the USGS database and swap the Bross and Grizzly Peak (Sawatch) elevations.

This could be arranged. By the way is there a summit marker on Bross?