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Postby TK » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:14 pm

All I can say is WOW! How do you afford the time you put into our education and entertainment, Bill?
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Postby Jon Frohlich » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:16 pm

The videos work fine and I mostly think they're a nice addition.

However....

I think the Class 3 and above peaks are badly misrepresented by the flyovers. Wetterhorn looks like you just go up the ridge with no complications. South Maroon looks nothing like the photos. Sunlight looks like you just walk up the ridge at the end. I guess I'm just worried about a novice watching one of these and thinking those peaks don't look very difficult or complex. Topo software just isn't detailed enough for a flyover of terrain like that.

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Postby BillMiddlebrook » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:45 pm

Jon,

I understand your point completely but these are just one tool in the 14ers.com On-Line Guidebook. Through difficulty ratings, photos and text, the route descriptions make the difficulties pretty clear. More so, IMO, than paper guidebooks that lack detailed information and photos. Yes, someone could look at just a fly-over and think it's easier than it is, maybe I'll just put a warning on that page. If a climber is basing the difficulty of a route just based on a fly-over, they aren't planning properly. Of course we all know there are those out there that don't plan properly - I can't help that. All I can do is put out as much information as possible to assist that climber and hope they do their homework first.
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Postby Jon Frohlich » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:12 pm

Bill,

Understood was just voicing a concern that came to mind. Maybe a simple warning of something like "flyovers should only be used a general idea of terrain" would be enough.

Hopefully someone wouldn't just use a flyover as their only resource but you never know. All the information in the world doesn't necessarily help if someone doesn't use it properly.

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Postby BillMiddlebrook » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:22 pm

I put a red warning message at the top of the page.

Thanks for the input!
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Postby kevinbuffalo » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:42 am

I'd like to see you add some music to the fly-overs - perhaps John Denver's "The Eagle and the Hawk"?

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Postby CRAIGO » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:15 pm

Awesome stuff!! No problems seeing it at all.
Thanks!

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Postby CRAIGO » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:15 pm

Awesome stuff!! No problems seeing it at all.
Thanks!

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Postby RenoBob » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:24 pm

Bill:
Very cool, it does help give an extra bit of perspective. I didn't get the least bit tired.
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Postby RenoBob » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:25 pm

Bill:
Very cool, it does help give an extra bit of perspective. Iwas able to view all I selected without any problems.
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Postby Hiking Mike » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:21 pm

For several I had to click the "try this" link, but one worked normally. Maybe it's a patience issue, because that doesn't make a lot of sense.

It seems like a great way to check your mental picture from topo maps. Thanks a bunch Bill; it's a great addition. :D
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Postby BillMiddlebrook » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:49 pm

I've finished adding the Topo fly-overs and ended with a total of 80...

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