The OFFICIAL Lincoln/Bross/Democrat Thread

[Jim Davies Profile 14er Peak List (57) 14ers in Winter (1)13er Peak List (58)Trip Reports]

No, it isn't. As always, there's no active enforcement of the closure. In fact, this Saturday there was a squadron of vehicles on the summit at one point. While it's possible it was the owners, family and friends, I kind of doubt it.

[prone2jodl Profile 14er Peak List (4)]

I've probably missed the moment when Bros has been reopened. I was there a year ago and there were "Private property, No trespassing" signs. Is it really open now?

Go back to page 21 in this topic and you will find a post by Bill, where he indicates that technically the peak is not "closed", but that adequate permission hasn't been gained to consider it "open"

[MountainEarth Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

Had a friend up on Lincoln/Bross/Democrat Saturday morning (9/12). Said there was a guy in a red Jeep Wrangler near the summit of Bross driving up to climbers and telling them to turn around, that they were trespassing on private land. Then he'd patrol a few hundred yards back down the peak.

My friend said people would just wait for the guy to drive down a bit, then quickly make a hidden dash to the top. The guy in the Jeep would spot them summit, and attempt to intercept while everyone would run back down the trail. Sounds sadly comical. Anyone know who the guy in the Jeep is? Owner? Or hired security?

[Alpinista Profile 14er Peak List (55) 13er Peak List (53)]

Well *that's* certainly mature and will help maintain good land-owner relations and access...

JFC people, it's a flippin' pile of rubble. Just take it off the list until it's legal (as sure doesn't seem likely now) and add the next lowest peak (Grizzly for e.g.) or an "un-official" peak (like E. Crestone).

[kara Profile 14er Peak List (40) 13er Peak List (5)]

JFC people, it's a flippin' pile of rubble. Just take it off the list until it's legal (as sure doesn't seem likely now) and add the next lowest peak (Grizzly for e.g.) or an "un-official" peak (like E. Crestone).

Take it off the list? Sorry, but what a ridiculous thing to say. If the goal is to climb 14,000+ foot peaks, then it's a little difficult to take a peak over 14K OFF "the list" simply because there are access issues. And it's not like Bross is the only 14er that is just a "flippin pile of rubble". Should we take Antero off the list b/c it's just a pile of rubble, too?

(I understand you're probably saying "take it off your personal list of things to accomplish" but seriously!)

[randalmartin Profile 14er Peak List (39) 14ers in Winter (1)13er Peak List (14)Trip Reports]

JFC people, it's a flippin' pile of rubble. Just take it off the list until it's legal (as sure doesn't seem likely now) and add the next lowest peak (Grizzly for e.g.) or an "un-official" peak (like E. Crestone).

Take it off the list? Sorry, but what a ridiculous thing to say. If the goal is to climb 14,000+ foot peaks, then it's a little difficult to take a peak over 14K OFF "the list" simply because there are access issues. And it's not like Bross is the only 14er that is just a "flippin pile of rubble". Should we take Antero off the list b/c it's just a pile of rubble, too?

(I understand you're probably saying "take it off your personal list of things to accomplish" but seriously!)

No, I think he is saying until the Peak is legal it shouldn't be such a big deal to simply not climb it. Unless your life is all about statistics and "Checking one off the list".

[kara Profile 14er Peak List (40) 13er Peak List (5)]

(I understand you're probably saying "take it off your personal list of things to accomplish" but seriously!)

No, I think he is saying until the Peak is legal it shouldn't be such a big deal to simply not climb it. Unless your life is all about statistics and "Checking one off the list".

Hi, reread the last line of my post. Thanks for playing.

[Almagrl Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

Hello All - Kara, I believe maybe what folks are trying to tell you is that no matter what goal you may have - in this case, climbing all 14,000 ft peaks - you need to be respectful of the land access issues that are in place. These issues have nothing against your quest, as good of a quest it is. I live here in town and really enjoying being able to access the mountains here in my town, just as those of you who choose to visit. Please consider the posibility that the 14er quest that some may bring to our town, could in fact cause a permenant closure if not adhered to. This would affect you only and when you chose to think of our beautiful mountains. This would affect me and my neighbors and my children each day, which is why I am asking you and everyone else on this thread to be respectful when you come to these peaks. There are many different things at play that are only merely hypothesized here, but the reality of the situation is that we really do have to be respectful of what these owners want, no matter what each of us may want. So, when you do come to town, you are more than welcome to stop for a friendly visit (I work at Out Ya Go in town) and maybe I will come on a nice jaunt with you, but most of all please be respectful of the legal issues that are currently inherent in this area. Thank you! Beth

[kara Profile 14er Peak List (40) 13er Peak List (5)]

Hello All - Kara, I believe maybe what folks are trying to tell you is that no matter what goal you may have - in this case, climbing all 14,000 ft peaks - you need to be respectful of the land access issues that are in place. These issues have nothing against your quest, as good of a quest it is. I live here in town and really enjoying being able to access the mountains here in my town, just as those of you who choose to visit. Please consider the posibility that the 14er quest that some may bring to our town, could in fact cause a permenant closure if not adhered to. This would affect you only and when you chose to think of our beautiful mountains. This would affect me and my neighbors and my children each day, which is why I am asking you and everyone else on this thread to be respectful when you come to these peaks. There are many different things at play that are only merely hypothesized here, but the reality of the situation is that we really do have to be respectful of what these owners want, no matter what each of us may want. So, when you do come to town, you are more than welcome to stop for a friendly visit (I work at Out Ya Go in town) and maybe I will come on a nice jaunt with you, but most of all please be respectful of the legal issues that are currently inherent in this area. Thank you! Beth

Again, REREAD my last line. Of course I agree with private property issues. It's also obvious given my peak list that I didn't exactly respect them on the particular day I was in that area (though MANY others have not, not sure I should apologize--don't wish to start a "he did it, why can't I?" discussion). That was simply not how her (Alpinista's) comment read, though I parenthetically granted that her meaning was understood if not so stated. I've matured enough not to knock people's spelling (I'm an atrocious speller), grammar, typos (again, a horrible typist), etc. However, having reasonable expectations as far as reading comprehension goes is NOT something for which I will apologize. READ the last line of my original post. I understand she probably meant "mark it off your personal list of things to accomplish as it's not currently 'legal'." What is so complicated about that? I still contend it was a silly comment to make. Anyone on this particular forum is probably using Bill's "14er checklist". The subpeaks are already ON that "list". If your particular goal is to climb the Centennials? Please, by all means add Grizzly, etc. If your goal is to climb the 14ers, well, then, as Alpinista states, perhaps you need to put a pause on your goals for a bit. Again, not so complicated people!

[MountainEarth Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

I just thought it was really interesting that there'd be a guy up there in a Jeep actually patrolling the summit. I mean I guess if you're an owner and that's what you want to do with your days have at it. But if he's hired help, just who's paying him and why are they paying him? It seems to me that unless they have plans for the mountain that deviate from current use, any owner would be happy to agree to the access agreements for the legal protections they provide. But as I said its interesting - You see fences and signs posting boundaries and restrictions all the time. But its very rare - especially at such a high altitude - to find a living breathing patrol.

[MountainHiker Profile Website 14er Peak List (58) 14ers in Winter (2)13er Peak List (92)Trip Reports]

What I find interesting is the owner of Bross wasn’t able to be located when the negotiations were happening. At least that’s how I interpret an earlier part of this thread. There’s the possibility this guy wasn’t the owner but just someone full of crap.

[Jim Davies Profile 14er Peak List (57) 14ers in Winter (1)13er Peak List (58)Trip Reports]

What I find interesting is the owner of Bross wasn’t able to be located when the negotiations were happening. At least that’s how I interpret an earlier part of this thread. There’s the possibility this guy wasn’t the owner but just someone full of crap.

On the other hand, somebody here recently reported seeing an MLS listing offering the summit for sale. Or maybe he was just an over-zealous CFI peak steward.