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Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Need a climbing partner? Trying to form a hiking group for an outing?
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Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby ameristrat » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:32 pm

Trying to put a trip together - probably would cram in a motel in Lake City Friday night and climb on Saturday. Carpooling from Denver area.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby SurfNTurf » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:08 pm

Yes.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby wildlobo71 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:18 pm

Sounds good.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby swdishfishhoarder » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:09 am

I might be interested depending on the winter difficulty. I haven't hiked a 14er in winter yet and have almost no winter gear except for the clothes. I was thinking of hiking Quandary since there is limited avy danger and I've hiked it before in summer. If these two aren't too hard and I won't have to buy a lot of winter climbing gear, I'm in. Let me know ASAP so I can get work covered on Friday.

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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby ameristrat » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:45 am

Jeff and Bill are much better off answering this question, but here's my stab. If you're thinking you'll need crampons and serious ice climbing gear, don't worry, you won't. You should have snowshoes (rent from REI) and microspikes. It probably wouldn't hurt to have an ice axe either, but we'll talk to Jenny (climbed this route a few days ago) and see what she thought. If you don't already have them, really good gloves and boots are critical too as temperatures / wind chills are often below zero and, at least for me, hands and feet are most likely to get uncomfortably cold very quickly. Gators also are necessary.

From just looking at the route, it's a lot of elevation in not very much distance. I think I recall 5500' in 10 miles to get both peaks, so I know it will be exhausting for me. It's also a lot bushwhacking as there is no trail. So in comparison to Quandary, add 2000' of gain and 4ish miles. Also keep in mind that hiking in winter is much more exhausting than summer due to carrying extra gear / breaking trail / clomping through snow, etc.

If you already know all this my bad. I've only done one winter climb and it was a significant leap up from anything in summer in the physical toll it takes - if you're not prepared physically, mentally, and in the gear you have, it would be absolutely miserable and potentially dangerous. I certainly want anyone who does any winter climbing to be safe.

Last thing, I can't miss work friday, so I will be heading out at 4-5 to get to Lake City by 10 hopefully. No rush.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby SurfNTurf » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:14 am

swdishfishhoarder wrote:I might be interested depending on the winter difficulty. I haven't hiked a 14er in winter yet and have almost no winter gear except for the clothes. I was thinking of hiking Quandary since there is limited avy danger and I've hiked it before in summer. If these two aren't too hard and I won't have to buy a lot of winter climbing gear, I'm in. Let me know ASAP so I can get work covered on Friday.


Quandary and Bierstadt are great starter winter 14ers. Elbert if you want a longer day.

Redcloud/Sunshine, while not necessarily dangerous, may not be the most fun either. The winter route from Mill Creek is damn steep, and it'll be a moderately long day between 10-12 hours RT. The group that just did it Wednesday reported no need for ice axes, traction, gaiters or snowshoes. That might change depending on the snow this weekend, but I doubt it. Avalanche danger is minimal in most conditions.

As long as you have the clothing (baselayers, 1-2 midlayers, shell, emergency puffy) and the desire to perhaps be a little miserable for 12 hours, I say you'd be fine.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby Fisching » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:15 am

Obviously, this is dependent on whatever this storm or any future storm brings between now and then, but minimal gear was needed when we climbed it on 1/9.

Ice axe - didn't use them once.
Snowshoes - pointless. The snow was never deeper than 5 inches except for a a small section right above treeline; the first 1500'+ vert was bare ground. Even if the trench wasn't there, I wouldn't have put on snowshoes given the lack of winter white.
Microspikes - not needed.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby TheOtherIndian » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:51 am

I'd be interested in joining the group for these peaks. I can only leave Longmont just before 5, so around 6 at Denver. If anyone wants to drive out that late I'd be happy to join in and wouldn't mind driving my car either.
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby swdishfishhoarder » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:50 am

Anyone driving through Colorado Springs? I'm looking to carpool and am willing to chip in gas money. If I can get work covered I'd be in for sure. I should know by the end of the day if I can go.

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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby ameristrat » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:58 am

There are a couple of people who were interested in coming / looking for a ride - one in Co Springs (Germanloveshiking) and one in Pueblo (Mvanleeuwen).
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby I Man » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:02 pm

ameristrat wrote:There are a couple of people who were interested in coming / looking for a ride - one in Co Springs (Germanloveshiking) and one in Pueblo (Mvanleeuwen).


Is it warm enough for GermanLovesHiking?? :lol: :lol:

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Kidding, of course. You guys should have an incredible day with such a great forecast and group of climbers :-D
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Re: Sunshine & Redcloud 1/19

Postby SurfNTurf » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:20 pm

I'm hiking Friday as well if anyone wants to join. I'll likely meet the group (Bill or the later caravan) in Salida on Friday evening to carpool from there. Looking forward to it, should be a gorgeous weekend.
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