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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby catullus » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:50 am

USAKeller wrote:
douglas wrote:
USAKeller wrote:Haven't had a chance to look through this whole thread yet so I'm not sure if it's been said, but Glycine (about 1g per day) is a natural liver and kidney detoxifier too.

Umm...so you're detoxifying the detoxifier?

Umm...yes. Glycine helps the process of Glycination - one of the 6 ways the body cleans the liver daily.

Only the liver can purify and remove toxic wastes from the bloodstream, and since we only have one liver, wouldn't it make sense to keep it healthy and cleansed regularly?


Conjugation w/ glycine is indeed one way the liver detoxifies endogenous metabolites and xenobiotics, but to my knowledge there is no evidence that demonstrates increasing dietary glycine speeds this along. It seems reasonable from a biochemical point of view, but there are lots of things that seem reasonable biochemically, but just don't pan out therapeutically. There is some research demonstrating improved recovery from ethanol toxicity in rats w/ glycine, but I'm not aware of any data in humans, and the ethanol recovery is actually thought to be through a difference mechanism.

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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby RosieTheSummiter » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:09 am

Lots of people posting "trip reports" on the proverbial Mt. Cleanse they've never bothered to hike - worriesome. :-s

Chrismjx wanted feedback on cleanses from people with personal experience. There are many types -I'm going to assume he's talking about a colon cleanse.

One reason for this cleanse is to prevent/address a medical issue called "fecal impaction." It ranges from mild build-up that causes constipation and prevents one from absorbing their nutrients to a debilitating condition that could require surgery in the acute sense. Some quick defnitions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_impaction
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000230.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3348734/

A handy video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9iqZKapfng
http://www.colonixreview.com/

The primary ingredients in the cleanse I did are psyllium, aloe vera and accompanying probiotics. The Dr. Natura site doesn't display its studies on its cleanse specifically, so I'll cite studies on the efficacy of psyllium and aloe from other institutions here, assuming that you consider measured reduction in symptoms as proof:

http://www.tabakshealthproducts.com/colon-cleanse-regularity
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1800188
http://www.jabfm.org/content/24/4/436.full?sid=db0f947a-9f88-481b-aa55-a4e936d0d751 (cites psyllim as being the superior agent in addressing symptoms.)

Lastly, a video showing the less-than-polite evidence doccumented by one user. The Dr. Natura site used to have tons of stuff like this posted, then they took it down for fear or grossing people out too much. I can testify that this is the stuff you can expect to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyu2V9_Q4QY
http://www.colonixreview.com/

Dave B wrote:The problem with modern society seems to be an abandonment of moderation for the sake of the extreme and fast acting.
I'd love to see some studies that show positive benefits from cleanses, I certainly couldn't find any. Further, it would take a dissertations worth of effort to scan the available literature to actually arrive at a scientific opinion. So in the absence of that available time, I'll just stick with what the Mayo Clinic has to say on the issue.


A scoop of psyllium a day + the 8 glasses of water: hard to call extreme.
90 days is not fast acting
The mayo article refers to "diets"- this is not a diet. I see the kind of spepticism they offer here on a lot of sites. I offer the articles above. I have seen much more in the way of testimony, but it appears you're looking for journal articles. There is no journal article on this product speficically, only articles on the identifiable constituents of the product (psyllium, aloe, etc.) I would consider that proof. I'd consider my own experience/evidence as proof, but that's just me (and I hardly think the kind folks on this forum would appreciate that.) Also I gave my cat psyllium when he was two months old when had blood in his stools (just got him from the humane society.) After a couple of days, he passed some really weird rubbery turd and had no more issues.

MountainMedic wrote:Cleanses are generally unnecessary at best, and may even be bad if done incorrectly. If you flush out everything in your intestines, you lose the healthy bacterial flora MEANT to be there. /


This cleanse includes probiotics specifically for that reason. Also the term "flush" probably isn't quite accurate here. It's more of a gentle slough.
its_not_a_tuba wrote:
A few questions from a skeptic. 1) is it possible that the weird stuff that you were crapping out was just the weird stuff you purchased and were eating ? I would say probably. 2) Is it possible that you felt great after the cleanse because you felt so crappy (excuse the pun) while you were doing it? I would say probably. 3) If our intestine is so covered in muck and so desperately in need of a month long cleanse process why is it that the medications given my an MD prior to a colonoscopy can do the same thing overnight? Take a look at video footage of a colonoscopy, I don't see any "mucoid plaque" anywhere.



I can appreciate that notion. Starting with the first two - no. No need to be polite here - I'll provide the insight: The psyllium tends to break up upon exit. The lengthy and unsightly stuff that I can only desribe as what looks like rubbery blobs and dark dehydrated bark (of various length) in the distinct shape of the folds of the intestine do not. The pictures you will see on the web out there tell it like it is. The olfactory experience doesn't lie, either! There were days on this cleanse where I'd actually feel uncomfortable tugs on my gut and have headaches. The next day, the evidence was profoundly there as to why, and the headache was gone. That didn't happen every day, though. As for colonscopies, some of the testimonials I read on the site (when they did have them) mentioned passing things that the colonscopy never caught. My dad had several colonscopies, and my understanding is that the prep is primarily laxitive (magnesium sulfate) based. Sure, this will "wash" things out pretty well, but how can it slough off the stuff that is stuck? If just the liquid sufficed for any kind of cleansing action, then we could all clean our teeth by simply swishing some stuff around and scrap the toothbrush. The benefit of the bulking agent (psyllium and aloe) is 1. its bulk helps to mechanically slough off stuff as it passes 2. it encourages the peristalsis which gets your intestines moving to pass the stuff and 3. it lubricates the garbage to make it amenable to moving in the first place.

I ate healthy for the past 20 years. I tried this method, and it relieved some digestive issues but also flattened my gut quite a bit. I cannot say enough good things about it. If you want a good prep now for the summer months ahead, I'd say give it a shot. If your experience is like mine, you'll be happily carrying less weight up the mountain. :)
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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby Dex » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:34 am

"Frank Sacks, MD, a leading epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health, says, "There is no basis in human biology that indicates we need fasting or any other detox formula to detoxify the body because we have our own internal organs and immune system that take care of excreting toxins.""

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide/detox-diets-purging-myths
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Re: Body system cleanse - Last word

Postby Dex » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:45 am

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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby ChrisRoberts » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:18 pm

Hey if you need something to clean out your system and lose weight just get a tapeworm; cheap and beneficial pets
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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby Greenhouseguy » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:22 pm

Santiago's green chile always works for me.
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Re: Body system cleanse

Postby catullus » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:17 pm

RosieTheSummiter wrote:A scoop of psyllium a day + the 8 glasses of water: hard to call extreme.


It's also hard to call it a "cleanse." Fiber is certainly good for you, but it's always better to try to increase your nutrients (including fiber) in your diet before adding supplementation. If after improving your diet, you still suffer from constipation, then adding supplemental psyllium is reasonable. But if your bowels function regularly and your regular diet includes foods that are high in fiber, it's quite unnecessary.

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