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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby robco » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:36 pm

EDIT: oops, missed the "fleece" reference myself, also :-\. Sorry.

In addition to the Feathered Friends and Mountain Hardwear, these could be interesting options:

1) Montbell Synthetic: http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=75&p_id=2301147
2) Montbell Down: http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=72&p_id=2301165
3) Western Mountaineering Down: http://www.westernmountaineering.com/index.cfm?section=products&page=Down%20Garments&cat=Pants&ContentId=78
4) Arc'teryx Synthetic: http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?EN/Mens/Pants-Shorts/Atom-LT-Pant

I love me my Montbell layers, personally.

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby tlerunner » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:45 pm

I like Marmot windclime full zip pants. Just the right weight for me.

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby Gabriel » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:49 pm

I have tnf Denali full zip, but not sure if they still make them.

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby CO Native » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:43 pm

robco wrote:EDIT: oops, missed the "fleece" reference myself, also :-\. Sorry.

In addition to the Feathered Friends and Mountain Hardwear, these could be interesting options:

1) Montbell Synthetic: http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=75&p_id=2301147
2) Montbell Down: http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=72&p_id=2301165
3) Western Mountaineering Down: http://www.westernmountaineering.com/index.cfm?section=products&page=Down%20Garments&cat=Pants&ContentId=78
4) Arc'teryx Synthetic: http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?EN/Mens/Pants-Shorts/Atom-LT-Pant

I love me my Montbell layers, personally.

All of those are insulated shell pants. I'm just looking for an insulating layer to be worn beneath a shell.

I'm looking for the high breathability of fleece. Those may not be super water or wind proof, but when wearing a layer with a shell it's best if it is very breathable. Fleece is nice under a shell because it allows a lot more moisture transfer to the shell.
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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby Cruiser » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:51 pm

Dunno much about this company but they are certainly less expensive than they Beyond version:
http://www.coldlizard.com/product/men/iguana-full-zip-fleece-pant
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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby robco » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:13 pm

CO Native wrote:All of those are insulated shell pants. I'm just looking for an insulating layer to be worn beneath a shell.

I'm looking for the high breathability of fleece. Those may not be super water or wind proof, but when wearing a layer with a shell it's best if it is very breathable. Fleece is nice under a shell because it allows a lot more moisture transfer to the shell.


Sorry, should have read more-carefully to begin with.

For what it's worth, it does appear that those Beyond Clothing "fleece" pants have a wind-proof membrane in them, so be careful with that option.

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby dsunwall » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:30 pm

I've found I don't need to layer my legs quite as much as upper body. I wear insulated pants with full zip over thin thermals. with the right pair of snow pants you don't need the wind pants so I never change layers at all, just zip and unzip as required. I know you said you don't want the shell, but why not? Leave the wind pants at home. This is also lighter, in some cases, than pants and wind pants. guess I don't understand your concept fully.

http://www.golite.com/Ms-Castle-Peak-Zonal-Insulated-Ski-Pant-P46879.aspx

The inner leg vents work great, can be open even while breaking deep snow without getting much snow in your pants, unlike the side zips. These also have the full side zip. The temp range is pretty wide, with the zips wide open its almost like not having pants on. :brrr
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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby EatinHardtack » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:56 pm

Josh,
I have a pair of mountain hardwear pants that you're looking for. They are fleece, full side zip, windstopper insulating pants. They are not waterproof and breathe very well. They don't have a name on them and I got them over six years ago. I think they are exactly what you are looking for (sans windstopper). They are pretty light weightand more tighter fit (ie meant to be worn under a shell).

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby CO Native » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:56 pm

dsunwall wrote:I've found I don't need to layer my legs quite as much as upper body. I wear insulated pants with full zip over thin thermals. with the right pair of snow pants you don't need the wind pants so I never change layers at all, just zip and unzip as required. I know you said you don't want the shell, but why not? Leave the wind pants at home. This is also lighter, in some cases, than pants and wind pants. guess I don't understand your concept fully.

http://www.golite.com/Ms-Castle-Peak-Zonal-Insulated-Ski-Pant-P46879.aspx

The inner leg vents work great, can be open even while breaking deep snow without getting much snow in your pants, unlike the side zips. These also have the full side zip. The temp range is pretty wide, with the zips wide open its almost like not having pants on. :brrr


Mostly it comes down to the extreme changes in activity levels I deal with on SAR. I like my shell because it is uninsulated so that when I'm hauling equipment up the mountain I'm just wearing a light base layer and the shell. The shell side zips have double zippers so I can vent my entire leg if I want, however when I stop hiking for a long period I need to layer up. Even though my legs don't need near as much as my upper body they do need something when I'm stopped for a while. Even though I'm stopped I don't have a lot of time to screw around with pulling off boots to add a layer. Then when the time comes to hike again it would be nice to be able to lose that insulating layer again quickly. I guess no one was buying those anymore since none of the companies that used to make them still do.

I did look up mountian hardwear and they don't make them anymore either.

Making a custom pair seems easy enough, just cut a line up each side and add zippers.
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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby Randy G. » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:43 am

My wife owns a sewing shop in Pueblo. If you can find zippers long enough, she can sew them into your pants.
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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby climbing_rob » Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:10 am

CO Native wrote:All of those are insulated shell pants. I'm just looking for an insulating layer to be worn beneath a shell.

I'm looking for the high breathability of fleece. Those may not be super water or wind proof, but when wearing a layer with a shell it's best if it is very breathable. Fleece is nice under a shell because it allows a lot more moisture transfer to the shell.
I don't consider the Montbell down pants to be shell pants at all; I've only worn them as an insulating underlayer beneath my shell pants. They breath very well, by the way. Much lighter than fleece of the same warmth. Still, I understand your need for good old fleece meaning these down pants are probably too much insulation. They really are only for very high, very cold climbing, or for sitting around a high, cold camp on Big mountains. Or, Colorado mountains in the winter, of course.

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Re: Full zip insulating pants

Postby pvnisher » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:48 pm

I bought a pair of cheap generic fleece pants a few years back and cut the bottom part off to make knickers that I could wear while skiing and not have any excess in or around my boots.
That worked well enough, so I found some 20" zippers at a craft store for about $3 each. Didn't opt for the double-slider which would have added an additional 50 cents.
Then I took them to a dry-cleaning/alterations store and asked the lady to put the zipper in for me. She said she'd sew them in for $20.
Seemed a little high, but as I didn't own a sewing machine at the time I said ok.

They work great. Even though I had intended to use them for skiing, they also work great while climbing because they stop just below where my gaiters cover. They aren't full-zip, but I'm sure you could find a craft store zipper that would do the trick for you.
Simples.

I've also added 2 layers of fleece to the back of some fleece mittens to make them super-warm without sacrificing the already-limited dexterity of a fleece mitten. I wear those inside a mitten shell and they're great. (the extra fleece came from the pants bottoms mentioned above)

My next project is to get someone to sew a powerstretch uni-suit for me from my existing tops and bottoms. I'd like to have less layers going on at my waist. It's bulky with underoos, longjohns, shells (or softshell), shirt, jacket(s) harness, pack... Removing at least one of those junctions would be nice. MHW makes one but is ridiculously expensive.

One of these days I'll figure out how to sew and open my own custom clothing company. 14ers members get 10% off.

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