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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Wish I lived in CO » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:30 am

Just wear cotton like they did in the 70's

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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby jblyth » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:38 am

TheF79 wrote:By the way, someone mentioned labor costs in Vietnam, and someone else mentioned exchange rates. I was curious, so I checked it out, and the Dollar has actually appreciated quite a bit against the Dong. In 2008 a Dollar would buy 16,000 Dongs, but in 2012, you can buy a whopping 21,000 Dongs for a dollar! [-X no snickering!


I was in Vietnam last year and got a shirt that said "keep your hand on your Dong." We had Dong jokes going the whole trip....I guess I am easily amused.

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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby mtn_hikin » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:02 am

There will probably be plenty of those shells visible in pictures of trust fund anarchists protesting capitalism this winter....

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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Dave B » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:18 am

tylermacguire wrote:Just another reason why life is too short to pay retail for gear.


This is true, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Speaking of foolish though, I noticed that Patagonia has started to offer a hooded version of their Capilene 4 half-zip. As I've written them three times requesting this exact piece I will certainly be buying one of these soon and at full price. Considering I can't remember the last piece of gear I paid full price for (stove fuel and climbing pro excluded) that's a pretty big thing for me, here Patagonia, take my $120, I'm OK with it.
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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby lordhelmut » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:42 am

jblyth17 wrote:
TheF79 wrote:By the way, someone mentioned labor costs in Vietnam, and someone else mentioned exchange rates. I was curious, so I checked it out, and the Dollar has actually appreciated quite a bit against the Dong. In 2008 a Dollar would buy 16,000 Dongs, but in 2012, you can buy a whopping 21,000 Dongs for a dollar! [-X no snickering!


I was in Vietnam last year and got a shirt that said "keep your hand on your Dong." We had Dong jokes going the whole trip....I guess I am easily amused.


You are not alone in that amusement.

Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Bean » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:15 pm

In case anyone is interested, I picked up an orange medium Super Pluma jacket during the recent sale, and then found a neoshell jacket I like better for the same price. I'm going to take the SP back but if someone wants it, I'll take $220 for it (cost + tax + a couple bucks to make it a round number). Denver area only, not shipping. Still has tags on it.
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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby COBuckeye » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:21 pm

Zambo wrote:Undoubtedly people can ramble on about branding, consumerism, image, perceptions, etc. I have no doubt in my mind that these play a huge role in brand like Arx and Patagonia charging high prices.

But is that all of it? Does the name alone warran the extra hundreds of dollars? It can't be the only difference, can it?


Unfortunately I think that the name alone does warrant the extra hundreds of dollars. Not because the product is better, but because people will pay it. Gear companies are not the only ones do pull this trick either. Consider cars, TVs, wine, beer, hotels, cruise lines, etc., many of these manufacturers make the same (or very similar) products, slap different brands on them, and sell them for different prices. It is actually very intelligent marketing based on human nature.

On a personal note, I like the high prices on gear in a way because it gives me that much more of a thrill when I find a "good deal".
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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Bean » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:25 pm

COBuckeye wrote:On a personal note, I like the high prices on gear in a way because it gives me that much more of a thrill when I find a "good deal".


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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby MonGoose » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:30 pm

screeman57 wrote:
MonGoose wrote:
It's called Capitalism.


Actually, what's being described here is called Consumerism.


I looked it up:

Capitalism is "an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit."

Consumerism is "a social and economic order that encourages the purchase of goods and services in ever-greater amounts."


So I guess the jacket is influenced by both.

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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby BeastoftheEast » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:39 pm

gotten totally out of hand
sweet jacket, no doubt, but $679 is ironic
coming from company that ran ad 'don't buy this jacket'
last fall on black friday
trying to combat consumerism
that has gotten out of hand

lifetime guarantee on this dapper thread?
come w/ pledge to never buy another jacket?
i respect/admire yvon
my primaloft (xmas gift) is key in winter
but price point here seems ex. of unrestrained capitalism

definitely both sides

damn fashionistas and tf brats
i've seen them
but don't catch their labels
my eyes are up high
tell 'em to go climb a mountain
already
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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Zambo » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:25 pm

COBuckeye wrote:
Zambo wrote:Undoubtedly people can ramble on about branding, consumerism, image, perceptions, etc. I have no doubt in my mind that these play a huge role in brand like Arx and Patagonia charging high prices.

But is that all of it? Does the name alone warran the extra hundreds of dollars? It can't be the only difference, can it?


Unfortunately I think that the name alone does warrant the extra hundreds of dollars. Not because the product is better, but because people will pay it. Gear companies are not the only ones do pull this trick either. Consider cars, TVs, wine, beer, hotels, cruise lines, etc., many of these manufacturers make the same (or very similar) products, slap different brands on them, and sell them for different prices. It is actually very intelligent marketing based on human nature.


Ya...unfortunately you are probably right. It's the same for every other industry, so why wouldn't it be for this stuff?

And of course, we all know that this is also true for ski gear as well. I mean, c'mon.....Dynafit's are just as good as any other alpine set up on the market. Why pay so much more for those, right!?!?11?
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Re: Getting out of hand

Postby Breckskier » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:51 pm

That Dilbert cartoon is freaking awesome. Its like GoLite that stuff is perpetually 60-70% off. I was wondering who buys their rain jacket for $200 when its always on sale for $69
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