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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby 3mtnlabbie » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:45 pm

hmmm, I'm wondering if the husky is in pure bliss!

Like these two who refused to leave the snow. I guess snow in July is a special treat!
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby gatorchick » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:49 pm

This one also has a hard time staying on her feet ... :roll:

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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby Bean » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:10 pm

Missy_Goat wrote:On an even sadder note, the 14er Initiative volunteer told me they are seeking to ban dogs on 14ers all together, like on Longs. I find this sad, wrong, and upsetting. I mean, dogs are animals just as much as people are, and well trained dogs do just as much damage, or less, to a mountain as a marmot would... so I believe they have every right to be there as people do - given they have the ability to hike without threatening their health.

Maybe we should get 14ers Initiative people banned instead.
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby jbchalk » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:20 pm

Bean wrote:
Missy_Goat wrote:On an even sadder note, the 14er Initiative volunteer told me they are seeking to ban dogs on 14ers all together, like on Longs. I find this sad, wrong, and upsetting. I mean, dogs are animals just as much as people are, and well trained dogs do just as much damage, or less, to a mountain as a marmot would... so I believe they have every right to be there as people do - given they have the ability to hike without threatening their health.

Maybe we should get 14ers Initiative people banned instead.


Absolutely get the 14ers Initiative folk banned before dogs are banned from all 14ers. Maybe their plan is to incorporate every range in CO into RMNP :) Man, if they ever ban dogs and strictly enforce it by gurading every trailhead and handin out tickets, I will be leaving this state. CO would seriously disappoint me.

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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby whit12 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:25 pm

He's been more places then most ppl! :wink:
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby geno71 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:35 pm

This one takes his 14ers very seriously...

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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby Girlslovesnow » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:33 pm

Question for those of you that own Weimaraners. I have a 3 1/2 year old Weim/chocolate mix. I've taken her hiking quite a bit and she summited Grays just the other day. She does great on all of it. The only problem is I took her backpacking last week, with her own backpack, and she couldn't walk the night we got back. It was only about a 2 1/2 mile hike and the backpack carried food and a bowl. I'm wondering if any of you have experience with dogs and backpacks? Other dogs seem just fine with them. Is her breed not very strong (I don't know much about it)?
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby 3mtnlabbie » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:42 pm

Girlslovesnow wrote:Question for those of you that own Weimaraners. I have a 3 1/2 year old Weim/chocolate mix. I've taken her hiking quite a bit and she summited Grays just the other day. She does great on all of it. The only problem is I took her backpacking last week, with her own backpack, and she couldn't walk the night we got back. It was only about a 2 1/2 mile hike and the backpack carried food and a bowl. I'm wondering if any of you have experience with dogs and backpacks? Other dogs seem just fine with them. Is her breed not very strong (I don't know much about it)?


What kind of back pack was it? We have a few packs for the pooches and we have decided to pitch two as they don't distribute the weight on the dogs very well. I would also pay special attention to how they fasten to the dog and see if they are being rubbed in an area where a strap is. And it may be the added weight in general. Even a few pounds of extra weight on a dog can be very hard on their body (with regards to body weight) so added weight via a backpack could be hard too. I would suggest very small amounts of weight at first, like the pack without anything in it for awhile to give your baby some time to get stronger.
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby Inky6900 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:12 am

Missy_Goat wrote: On an even sadder note, the 14er Initiative volunteer told me they are seeking to ban dogs on 14ers all together, like on Longs. I find this sad, wrong, and upsetting.


I don't know if this is true but it would anger me immensely and I would personally take a lead in seeing this never happens. I have always respected 14er Initiative members, their work, the time they sacrifice and what they have done to help our peaks. They don't get enough praise or respect for all they have done and will do. I am all for preserving our mountains. I have climbed nearly all of the 14ers with my dog but it doesn't prevent me from wanting to preserve our peaks and leave no trace just as much as any CFI member. Does the fact I have a dog and have climbed nearly every summit with him make me incapable of wanting to preserve the 14ers? Why do climbers with dogs always get labeled as not giving a damn and not wanting to preserve the 14ers? Why? I honestly don't get it and it seriously pisses me off to the max. I have never made a huge donation to the CFI but I recently donated to their cause when Bill emailed all of us. I've hauled trash off 14ers that others left behind. I've trained Sawyer not to chase wildlife and stay on trails as much as possible. When other hikes are near, I call Soy to me as to not have them disturbed or irritated. My experiences while climbing with Sawyer have been so special they have changed how I look at our mountains. I want to help preserve Colorado so future generations can enjoy experiences just like Sawyer and I have while climbing together. I love Colorado, the 14ers and the general beauty and joy that comes with being a part of these things. Banning dogs is not the answer. Banning dogs only makes a significant change while making no real positive moment towards the actual issue - peak preservation.

Banning dogs is the last thing we need to do. If the 14er Initiative ever truthfully seeks this ban I would lose so much respect for them. It is wrong and it is not the solution to preserving Colorado.

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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby drjrumley » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:55 am

To ban dogs on 14ers is absolutly rediculous... I currently don't have a dog (my malamute trapper died last year). I think at the heart of the issue is a lack of respect by some, not all, dog owners for everyone else. I think that instead of banning dogs, give very heavy fines for having a dog unleashed. I loved my malamute and am planning on a bloodhound next but I have to say even I, as a dog lover get tired of watching dogs scare off sheep and non-marmot wildlife. Hiking should be an experience for all so maybe if everyone leashes up then the anti-dog chatter will go away.

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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby weschun » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:19 am

This is a very emotional issue for most folks, and has been beaten to death. Everyone has an opinion. I am a dog owner and lover. I’ll keep my opinion to myself.

There are some facts to keep in mind:

CFI has not taken a position that dogs should be banned on fouteeners.

CFI has no authority to set policy, only the Forest Service and Congress do.

Forest Service rules dictate that dogs are to be on a leash see:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/conditions/closure-orders/ufc-01-06_urban_front_country.pdf

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The number one complaint received by the Forest Service is “dogs off leash”

Dogs have been banned from the trails in National Parks.
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Re: Dogs on 14ers

Postby Nathan Hale » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:02 pm

weschun wrote:CFI has not taken a position that dogs should be banned on fouteeners.

CFI has no authority to set policy, only the Forest Service and Congress do.

Forest Service rules dictate that dogs are to be on a leash see:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/conditions/closure-orders/ufc-01-06_urban_front_country.pdf

Top of page three

The number one complaint received by the Forest Service is “dogs off leash”

Dogs have been banned from the trails in National Parks.


Totally true, hopefully we can avoid getting pitchforks out with misinformation based on miscommunications.

To reiterate:
Dogs have been banned on Longs Peak for a long time already and CFI can't ban dogs.
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