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Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby peter303 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:05 pm

The governor got permission to open the park on condition the state pay for it. Details are trickling out.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_24283231/colorado-pay-100-000-open-trail-ridge-road
Several other national parks are reopening too under state financing, including the Grand Canyon and Mount Rushmore.

To me, it will be interesting see how the feds set the "rent" for RMNP and share any entrance fees.
The park service doesnt released detail accounting on a per park basis and only sketchy in the aggregate.
I suspect the popular parks like RMNP are net revenue generators for the whole park system. And Colorado could easily recover its rent costs with just a modest fee.

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby semitrueskerm » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:37 pm

This sounds like too much sense for the federal government to approve.

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby Jim Davies » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:48 pm

They're not reopening the park, just Trail Ridge Road, and only for two weeks.
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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby TallGrass » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:07 pm

On a broader scale, from the AP, Obama administration yielding to pressure from governors to reopen some parks, as long as the states pay for it, but the feds would still control them.

Hopes this helps salvage the plans of hikers, rafters, visitors from other countries, and so on.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24281575/apnewsbreak-feds-let-states-pay-open-parks

The last part the article has shades of Mt. Evans to it.
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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby Bill Cummings » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:41 am

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby BlueKhan » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:11 pm

Colorado is to pay $362,000 to keep the road open for 10 days...for Estes Park.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/359473/339/Rocky-Mountain-National-Park-to-reopen

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby Mark A Steiner » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:05 pm

KOA 850 Denver reported a few drifted areas on TRR with up to 5 feet of snow will be removed before opening.
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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby Jim Davies » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:20 am

The state is now planning to pay $40,300 per day to open the entire park for the duration of the shutdown.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24291279/colorado-kicks-362-700-reopen-rocky-mountain-national
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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby pbakwin » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:01 pm

Sometime between 7:00 and 11:45 this morning the barrier and closure signs were removed for the Allenspark TH, a fairly obscure TH of the Park.

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby msmith7361 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:25 am

TallGrass wrote:On a broader scale, from the AP, Obama administration yielding to pressure from governors to reopen some parks, as long as the states pay for it, but the feds would still control them.


The funny thing is, despite states paying up-front for daily operating costs, DOI's actions may still foot the federal government for the bill if states eventually sue to recover the costs:
http://gielr.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/questionable-legality-of-state-sponsored-national-parks-the-anti-deficiency-act/

This isn't an entirely unforeseeable event considering the financial distress of some states and/or the underlying politics of some states (i.e. creating a double-win for republican governors who "negotiated the opening of our National Parks" PLUS eventual repayment by the federal government).

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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby TallGrass » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:48 pm

msmith7361 wrote:The funny thing is, despite states paying up-front for daily operating costs, DOI's actions may still foot the federal government for the bill if states eventually sue to recover the costs:
http://gielr.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/questionable-legality-of-state-sponsored-national-parks-the-anti-deficiency-act/
From the article,
"The premise of the ADA is to prevent the agencies from creating a 'coercive deficiency,' meaning a reliance-backed expectation for repayment of services rendered."
Seems Washington is doing just that (and has been) by budgeting and spending more than it takes in.
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Re: Rocky Mountain Park to partly reopen

Postby msmith7361 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:29 am

TallGrass wrote:
msmith7361 wrote:The funny thing is, despite states paying up-front for daily operating costs, DOI's actions may still foot the federal government for the bill if states eventually sue to recover the costs:
http://gielr.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/questionable-legality-of-state-sponsored-national-parks-the-anti-deficiency-act/
From the article,
"The premise of the ADA is to prevent the agencies from creating a 'coercive deficiency,' meaning a reliance-backed expectation for repayment of services rendered."
Seems Washington is doing just that (and has been) by budgeting and spending more than it takes in.


True, but that's what all governments do.
ADA is simply a legislative way to force Executive adherence to the Constitution [appropriations only derive from Congress].

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