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Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Dancesatmoonrise » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:46 pm

Jim Davies wrote: I have a bad feeling about this...

Yeah. This is not good.

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Jim Davies » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:28 am

The latest closure map. Ugh.
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby KentonB » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:28 pm

"Ugh" is a good description. Unless I'm mistaken, this essentially closes off access to the following summits:

Mays Peak
Kineo Peak
Mt. Garfield
Mt. Arthur
Tuckaway Mountain
Runs-Down-Fast Mountain
Mt. Buckhorn
Tenney Crags

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby IHikeLikeAGirl » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:28 am

Has this closure already happened? Or is it supposed to happen in by xxx date?
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Monte Meals » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:15 pm

Jim,

Do you have ant thoughts on how we can get the Colo Springs Gazette or OutThereColorado.com
to publish an article on the closure?

Closing these very popular hiking trails really $ucks.

Announcing these closures in January when few people will notice really really $ucks.

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Jim Davies » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:34 pm

The closure is already in effect (and has been for all but lower Bear Creek trail since October 1). It will remain in effect for a year, or until they rescind it with another order. My guess is that they'll just make the upper Bear Creek and Jones Park closures permanent rather than reopening them. Enforcement and/or signage is lacking everywhere, though.

CONative might know who to contact to get something in the Gazette. FYI, these "emergency" closures first happened right after the family got killed in Buena Vista (and a mountain biker got lost overnight on upper Gold Camp), early October I think. This announcement just adds one trail segment that wasn't supposed to be reachable anyway (since you'd have to use the closed High Drive or closed trails on the upper end to get to it). I'm guessing that the emergency conditions caused by the flooding are nonexistent at this point.
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Jim Davies » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:10 pm

The public open house on the proposal for trails and access in the Bear Creek watershed is scheduled for Tuesday, February 25, from 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. in the Pikes Peak room at Colorado Springs Utilities' Leon Young Service Center, 1521 Hancock Expressway, Colorado Springs, 80903. You can learn about the proposal and provide feedback. Information about the proposal is available on the Forest Service web site Bear Creek page.
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby doggler » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:39 am

Am I looking at this correctly?

Major parts of both Section 16 and Captain Jacks are closed?

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby SES_17 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:55 am

The closure is already in effect (and has been for all but lower Bear Creek trail since October 1).

Interesting... I was in the upper Bear Creek drainage about a month ago and I don't recall seeing any signs stating anything being closed. In fact, there were quite a few other hikers in the area and the trails looked like they had had regular traffic on them.
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Jim Davies » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:14 am

doggler wrote:Am I looking at this correctly?

Major parts of both Section 16 and Captain Jacks are closed?

Actually they're only closed in a legal sense, as there's no enforcement or signage. Those two trails also aren't part of the proposed permanent closure, neither are the two motorized trails from Frosty's Park, or lower Bear Creek trail and High Drive (for hikers and bikers, at least). FS needs to reopen much of this stuff, since the flooding crisis is over, but bureaucratic inertia is at work. There's really not any great danger to hikers at this point, no more than there normally is.

Go to the meeting in two weeks and express your opinion, or submit comments. Maybe they won't totally ignore the public comments like they did last year. :roll:

The trail segment that goes up from Gold Camp Road to the Buckhorn trail isn't on the map because it isn't a system trail, so can't really be "closed" as it officially doesn't exist.
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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby rider » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:43 pm

I feel for you guys having your trail access at risk.

The situation reminds me of the MYLF (mountain yellow legged frog) issue that we have in California. Trails are not affected by MYLF protection, but streams and lakes are affected. Streams and lakes that people were accustomed to fishing get put on the DFG (department of fish and game) list for management as fish-less, since the trout eat the eggs and/or young of the MYLF. The state discontinues stocking the waters on the fish-less list, since they want some areas to become barren of trout for protection of the endangered MYLF. The MYLF issue raises some strong complaints among the fly fishing community.

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Re: Access Alert: Jones Park, Upper Bear Creek to be closed

Postby Jim Davies » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:57 am

The FS has issued an open house flyer and scoping letter for the upcoming meeting (this Tuesday, 2/25/2014).

One new item from the scoping letter: High Drive will be closed to public motorized access. It also says that the north edge of the watershed containing Tenney Crags, Mount Arthur, and Mount Garfield will be kept open, but doesn't specify how that area would be accessed.

Here's the flyer:
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