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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby Stephen Butler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:50 pm

aweygandt wrote:Along the lines of getting acclimatized...

After hiking at 9-12k as snowboardinco and others recommended, then it might be worth it to drive up Mt. Evans with a friend a week before your hike. Evans isn't far from Grays/Torreys. If you're feeling great, then read a book up there and see how you do for a couple hours. It will help you acclimatize for the upcoming hike. If you feel awful, then have the friend drive back down. That way you can experience 14,000' in a bit more controlled environment.

I hope that helps.


Just as a heads up to the OP, I believe the road to the summit is closed for the winter (Evans). You can make it to summit lake but would have to hike up to the summit from there.

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby TallGrass » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:46 pm

tlongpine wrote:consult a medical professional
Uh, yeah +1. Breathing is kind of critical and without it you'll likely die in minutes with no time for Plan B, unlike altitude sickness, IT leg band, giardia, snow blindness or other issues. OP mentioned California, so if a sea-level doc can't help, try a Sierra one or a high country Colorado one as they more likely have seen cases. Maybe someone could recommend a pulmonary specialist? PM them info?
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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby MountainMedic » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:21 pm

1. This is funny. I never know what's a joke on this site, but I'm assuming the OP is quite the Jokester.
2. Darth Vader's name is spelled as written here. Star Wars is the s**t.
3. If I saw you hiking a 14er with oxygen on, I would probably kidnap you off the mountain and carry you back to the TH. Acetazolamide (Diamox) will work better. Talk to your PCP about it. CPAP is a horrendous idea. Being on it that long will be uncomfortable, and with pressure differences, may cause a pneumothorax if used incorrectly. Best idea yet is acclimating. Drink a ton of water and hang around up high before going straight for the gold. K2, the second highest mountain in the world, and arguably the hardest to climb, is generally climbed without oxygen, and doing any peak under 8000m with O's is pretty much just not done.

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby DaveLanders » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:37 pm

I'll assume that the OP was serious.

I used to hike with a guy who had only 1 lung; he carried a small oxygen bottle in his pack, and did fine. Yes it's true that elite mountaineers
wouldn't use oxygen below 8000 meters, but some people have health conditions and still enjoy hiking.

I'm pretty sure you can't get oxygen without a doctor's prescription, so the earlier advice to talk to your doctor is still the best advice here.

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby I Man » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:50 pm

This is a thread?? I'll assume its a joke as well.
Tyler has a good point. Really the only mountain where oxygen is the norm is Everest, which is more than twice as tall as anything in Colorado.
In the high mountains, running out of gas puts you in a worse position than having never used it. Acclimatization should be your goal...

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby MUni Rider » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:59 pm

Just use some Perri-Air.

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby Rock-a-Fella » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:44 pm

To begin at the end since the consequences of a mistake given the "loose" information provided is death I would seek medical advise as to "What type" of altitude sickness you are experiencing. The last thing you want to do is have enough O2 to get you higher on the mountain and then run out.

That said there has been lots of sound advise on hydration, acclimatizing, and the use of aspirin to help your prep.

Now to the O2 tank question. I think you are going to find it more complex than your original thought. O2 tanks come in many sizes. The largest size aluminum tank I could reasonably imagine in a backpack would be a "D". If your "train" comes off the track at 13K then you'll need 6-10 liter flow or to begin with a lesser flow at a lower altitude. At a 6 liter flow a "D" tank would have 42 mins of O2. That's 21 mins to cover you last 1000'-1200', tag the summit and 21 mins to descend back to 13K.
Those tanks weigh 5.5lbs empty. At 1000' per hour that would be close to 20 lbs of O2 and tanks. If you required a 10 liter flow then double you tanks or cut your time in half. (I'll get to what happens when you drop one later)

"Increase the time = decrease the amount of O2" "Increase the amount of O2 = decrease the time you breath O2 with the possibility of stranding you much higher than 13K with no supplemental oxygen and 10-20 extra pounds of empty O2 bottles.

Drop a tank the wrong way and it turns into a missile powerful enough to go through a brick wall. Composite O2 Tanks are $500 plus empty and are more delicate.

If you go the O2 route I suggest a mask from http://www.topout.co.uk


If you don't have a schedule to "get" to altitude to condition your "Blood" then bring it to you. This system is not cheap but it's not a waste of time either if you are training for altitude.

http://altolab-usa.com

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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby siop » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:11 am

I would definitely recommend seeing a medical professional and spending time acclimatizing. My son has been on supplemental oxygen since he was born, due to a heart defect and lung disease, acclimitizing isn't helping as we live at 9000ft. I'm able to use a B tank when we take him hiking since he only requires 1/4L (he's 16 mo). Its not something I would play around with on my own though. We regularly test his pulse ox so we know how he is responding at different altitudes, different flow rates and different times of the day and have undergone a battery of tests to see why he needs it in the first place. I think that should be your biggest concern.
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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby taylorzs » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:19 pm

MountainMedic wrote:1. This is funny. I never know what's a joke on this site, but I'm assuming the OP is quite the Jokester.
2. Darth Vader's name is spelled as written here. Star Wars is the s**t.
3. If I saw you hiking a 14er with oxygen on, I would probably kidnap you off the mountain and carry you back to the TH. Acetazolamide (Diamox) will work better. Talk to your PCP about it. CPAP is a horrendous idea. Being on it that long will be uncomfortable, and with pressure differences, may cause a pneumothorax if used incorrectly. Best idea yet is acclimating. Drink a ton of water and hang around up high before going straight for the gold. K2, the second highest mountain in the world, and arguably the hardest to climb, is generally climbed without oxygen, and doing any peak under 8000m with O's is pretty much just not done.

1) Yes, this is definitely a joke.
2) +1
3) Who cares about a pneumo when you look so stylish with a CPAP? That is what occlusive dressings are for! Sure acetazolamide may be more effective but you do not look nearly as hard core as carrying an O2 bottle around for fun. Besides it is a better work out. Another reason for a high flow oxygen solution instead of pharmacological intervention...
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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby Dex » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:04 pm

taylorzs wrote:1) Yes, this is definitely a joke.


I'm a bit disappointed in the 'joke' responses. The don't appear to be up to the normal standards here.
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Re: Oxygen tank recommendations?

Postby Randy » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:06 am

Like all O2 users, remember if your up high and you run out, your SOOL.

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