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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby ajkagy » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:24 am

reinhold wrote:Since it's on Elbert, I'm guessing mountain bikes have played a role in the trail braiding


highly doubtful since there is much more hiker traffic than biker traffic on elbert. Also, hikers cause much more trail erosion on moderate trails than bikes.

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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby DArcyS » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:33 am

It seems like some of these new trails form when rocks settle into the existing trail and people don't want to step on them or modify their step to avoid them. It would probably be too much to ask people to remove rocks on the trail as they hike. It's more of a CFI function, and a pretty easy one at that -- hike the trail to remove rocks so that people aren't tempted to start a new trail.

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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby Oldskool70 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:11 pm

I blame the mountain sheep. Those pointy toes & total disregard for their surroundings...makes me sick. Plus they are up there all...the...time!!! :x
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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby sjpwarsaw » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:23 pm

I remember hearing in a CFI meeting a few years back that dogs off leash do 20 times the damage of 1 human when above timberline. I think it's very important to do our part in preserving the environment for our kids, grand kids, etc.

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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby J-RockandRockpile » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:35 pm

sjpwarsaw wrote:I remember hearing in a CFI meeting a few years back that dogs off leash do 20 times the damage of 1 human when above timberline. I think it's very important to do our part in preserving the environment for our kids, grand kids, etc.


Agreed but to what extent? Should we all lock ourselves inside our houses and never leave in the name of preservation?
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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby Doctor No » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:07 pm

ajkagy wrote:Also, hikers cause much more trail erosion on moderate trails than bikes.


Source for that? I'm assuming that you're comparing one biker to one hiker, since you've already adjusted for that in your statement.

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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby YooperJonKornely » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:12 pm

GET OFF THE GRASS YOU JERK!
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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby Tigerbear » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:17 pm

Same goes for packing out poop!
I'll pack mine out when all the cows in the Fairplay area stop pooping in denver's water supply!
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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby ajkagy » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:22 pm

Doctor No wrote:
ajkagy wrote:Also, hikers cause much more trail erosion on moderate trails than bikes.


Source for that? I'm assuming that you're comparing one biker to one hiker, since you've already adjusted for that in your statement.


there's been numerous studies showing mtn biking causes no more erosion than hikers. If anything they cause less of a footprint since tire width is much less than the walking gait of a human. There's also many more hikers vs. mtn bikers on trails in general thus hikers contribute to a much greater share of trail erosion and degradation. If you compare a popular trail primarily used for mountain bikes vs. a popular trail primarily used for hiking you'll find in more instances than not that the mountain bike trail has a much smaller width/footprint.

bikers are usually the first group that are blamed for trail damage and the first group to go out and repair trails...at least from what I've seen around where I live.

Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby Bean » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:54 pm

reinhold wrote:Since it's on Elbert, I'm guessing mountain bikes have played a role in the trail braiding

I'm quite sure that they have not. That's hiker damage.

Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby Bean 2 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:01 pm

Bean wrote:
reinhold wrote:Since it's on Elbert, I'm guessing mountain bikes have played a role in the trail braiding

I'm quite sure that they have not. That's hiker damage.


I'm quite sure those are mountain bikes. Nice try Bean.
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Re: Please stay on the trail.

Postby DeucesWild » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:09 pm

Bean 2 wrote:I'm quite sure those are mountain bikes. Nice try Bean.


:lol: This is quite funny.
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