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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby DaveLanders » Wed May 25, 2011 7:37 pm

Mountain_Ninja wrote:
BillMiddlebrook wrote:Then there's "Sunlight Spire" at ~14,000' :wink:


Thank goodness this one's 5 feet shy! Or else it might be very discouraging for us non-technical climbers to complete the 14ers...


Then again, looking at the Spire in'spires' me to take climbing classes.


It's not 5 feet shy anymore after the USGS revised the vertical datum. Most peaks in Colorado "gained" 5 to 7 feet.
This has been discussed in some older threads.

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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby Craig Cook » Wed May 25, 2011 7:40 pm

DaveLanders wrote:It's not 5 feet shy anymore after the USGS revised the vertical datum. Most peaks in Colorado "gained" 5 to 7 feet.


I know I was told last year that Pikes was changed to 14,115 feet instead of 14,110. Goes right with what you're saying.
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby SpringsHiker » Wed May 25, 2011 7:53 pm

JB99 wrote:If you include N. Massive there are 59...

And that's the one I get a kick out of! N. Massive is probably the closest 14er that isn't officially in and beats the 5 USGS-named peaks that are "unofficial" based on prominence. And since I did it I prefer to count it! Plus, saying "your" list is 59 is always a great way to fire up the 14er status debate. Never dull!
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby Dancesatmoonrise » Wed May 25, 2011 8:02 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote:Then there's "Sunlight Spire" at ~14,000' :wink:


My climbing partner's take is that Sunlight Spire should be the 59th 14er, but no one will recognize it b/c they're non-technical whimps, and if they recognized it, everyone would have to be able to actually climb to be 14er completers, and goodness, we certainly couldn't have that.

(Edit: This should have been in pink to begin with; apologies, Trevor!)

My take is that there are 59 winter 14ers, N. Massive being included. I follow this rule because the four chaps that have completed the winter 14ers follow this rule. Call it convention.

I also like Sunlight Spire, and hope my partner has the time and inclination to attempt a daytrip in from Purgatory TH this summer to get the spire.



(FWIW - We pulled off all four Chi Basin 14ers in under 20 hours travel time from Purgatory TH last year, so don't laugh too hard - the Spire should be doable in a sufferin' long day. BTW - just in case my partner does not have the time this year -he has a new job- I'll take the opportunity to plug this sufferfest for anyone crazy enough to partner with me on it. I'll lead. Only criteria is a very clean weather window; only pre-requisites are some prior technical experience, solid fitness, and some flexibility to go during a good weather period - which may come on a weekday. -Jim)
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby sgladbach » Wed May 25, 2011 8:23 pm

14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Yes

Or, 53, or 55, or 59, or 60. Those are all the numbers for which I have heard detailed cogent explanations by the various proponents. I'm confident that there are others, but I have not heard those explanations as of yet.
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby Craig Cook » Wed May 25, 2011 9:11 pm

sgladbach wrote:14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Yes

Or, 53, or 55, or 59, or 60. Those are all the numbers for which I have heard detailed cogent explanations by the various proponents. I'm confident that there are others, but I have not heard those explanations as of yet.


I edited the name of this thread just for you. :mrgreen:
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby Rastaman566 » Wed May 25, 2011 9:19 pm

Craig Cook wrote:
sgladbach wrote:14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Yes

Or, 53, or 55, or 59, or 60. Those are all the numbers for which I have heard detailed cogent explanations by the various proponents. I'm confident that there are others, but I have not heard those explanations as of yet.


I edited the name of this thread just for you. :mrgreen:


In that case, you better add 54 to the options. That's the number I first got accustomed too, probably because of Chris Davenport: http://www.skithe14ers.com/ and quoting Alan Arnette "Colorado has 58 mountains over 14,000 feet (4,266 meters) in height but only 53 are noted as '14ers'. To qualify as a 14er the peak must be 300 feet higher than the saddle of an adjacent peak. A notable exception is North Maroon Peak so 54 has become the 'official' number."

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Re: 14ers: Pick a number, 53-60?

Postby Craig Cook » Wed May 25, 2011 9:25 pm

Ha, well I changed it again - hopefully this covers the bases... 8-[
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Re: 14ers: Are there 56 or 58?

Postby centrifuge » Wed May 25, 2011 9:31 pm

Dancesatmoonrise wrote:My climbing partner's take is that Sunlight Spire should be the 59th 14er, but no one will recognize it b/c they're non-technical whimps, and if they recognized it, everyone would have to be able to actually climb to be 14er completers, and goodness, we certainly couldn't have that.


Doesn't it still lacks the prominence even if it does now have 14k as an elevation. I have toyed with the idea of climbing it, but not because it is a point over 14k, but because it looks like an interesting climb in a really beautiful place. That being said, it is not on my list.

I think what it really comes down to is we all define our own lists, and I dont know that you should worry too much about what someone elses definition is based on.
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Re: 14ers: Pick a number, 53-60?

Postby Dancesatmoonrise » Wed May 25, 2011 10:01 pm

centrifuge wrote:Hmmm, thats an interesting perspective...


Trevor, I got a kick out of that perspective. All in fun; hope it didn't offend anyone. While a 10a handcrack doesn't sound too hard, I have not personally been on it, but certainly was salivating over seeing it. I'd like to try it.

Sorry if I came off as an ass. Didn't mean to. (Please forgive me; it was a crime of passion!) :lol:



Here's a couple shots of this beauty:


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Re: 14ers: Pick a number, 53-60?

Postby mt_turtle » Wed May 25, 2011 10:22 pm

It is something to behold. I can't wait to SEE it!
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Re: 14ers: Pick a number, 53-60?

Postby Carl » Wed May 25, 2011 10:25 pm

Will be interesting to see if the fixed line on the Spire survived another winter.

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