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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby Jim Davies » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:16 am

Point him at the Climbing Accidents and Memorials forum.
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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby ajkagy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:22 am

sounds like a classic case of beer goggles. Not to discourage or anything, but definitely biting off more than he can chew. Lesson of the day: sometimes it takes experience and hard work to accomplish something instead of a brazen foolhardy attitude.
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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby MonGoose » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:48 am

I think you've done what you can by giving him reasonable advice. In the end, you can't stop someone from making poor decisions. His goals are unreasonable and quite frankly, selfish. If he really wanted to learn, he would have you take him up Bierstadt or Grays / Torreys and learn some basic winter mountaineering skills. He would invest the time to learn the skills to accomplish his goal. Instead, he just wants to get Wilson Peak over with so he can tell everyone that he's done it. In my opinion, he's either trying to impress some chick on Facebook or he's so insecure, that he's willing to risk his life to feel like he's somebody.

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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby zoriloco » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:56 am

Ahh to be young and reckless..... I remember being like that. Cost my parents a lot of $$ in paint & body work on their cars..... He'll only learn by experience, not much you can do at this point.

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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby Dex » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:03 am

A few responses come to mind.

- "Dude, you've been warned. If you get in trouble try dialing 911 for help." You might want to check here to see if cell phones work on Wilson Peak.

- "Dude, before you go can you make sure I'm in your will - I really like your car."

- "Do you mind if I date your girlfriend, she's hot - after your funeral, of course."

It doesn't sound as if you are going to get too far warning your friend. The key is not to be an enabler or worse - have him take you down with him on the mtn.
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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby Layne Bracy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:35 am

Back in 2003, I hiked/climbed Wilson Peak solo as one of my last 14ers at the end of October. The Silver Pick TH was reachable by 2WD. I needed crampons to get up the last slope to the ROA saddle, but from there to the summit the route was surprisingly dry.

So, depending on conditions, late fall/early winter may be doable for a novice. Obviously, there's a need to assess conditions and possibly make a call to turn back.

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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby crossfitter » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:47 am

It's not the newbies you need to worry about, it's the people sitting at 30-40 14ers who think they've got it all figured out that get themselves into trouble. Like others said, more than likely he will lose his enthusiasm long before he puts himself in real danger.
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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby Fisching » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:03 am

I bet Iman86 will have some advice for your friend. He's an expert.
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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby DaveSwink » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:28 am

crossfitter wrote:It's not the newbies you need to worry about, it's the people sitting at 30-40 14ers who think they've got it all figured out that get themselves into trouble.


Uh-oh. :oops:

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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby ulvetano » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:29 am

dswink wrote:
crossfitter wrote:It's not the newbies you need to worry about, it's the people sitting at 30-40 14ers who think they've got it all figured out that get themselves into trouble.


Uh-oh. :oops:


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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby smoove » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:35 am

dswink wrote:
crossfitter wrote:It's not the newbies you need to worry about, it's the people sitting at 30-40 14ers who think they've got it all figured out that get themselves into trouble.


Uh-oh. :oops:


Crap!!!

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Re: Difficult Situation With a Newbie

Postby TravelingMatt » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:41 am

The precise number of 14ers you need to climb to achieve true enlightenment is 47. Ranked peaks only; 3000-foot rule applies; one Gore Range 13er substitutes for three 14ers.
So pleas'd at first the towering Alps we try,
Mount o'er the vales, and seem to tread the sky,
Th' increasing prospects tire our wand'ring eyes,
Hills peep o'er hills, and Alps on Alps arise!
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