Poaching Trenches

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Is it ok to "poach" a trench?

It's my trench and I put all the hard work into. Stay out of it.
Poaching a trench is good strategy. Less work for me.
Quid pro quo.
Who cares?
It was "there" when I showed up. Give me a break.
This was a problem?
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby Chicago Transplant » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:39 pm

Rich H wrote: ... I noticed that 4 legged poachers were using my trail ...

I had a set of mountain lion prints in a trench of mine once on a solo hike. Freaked me out "just a little". :lol:

I was on my way back down and he/she had been crossing my path, and decided to use my trench for a while. Tracks were going down hill, so it never followed me. After 1/2 a mile it went off to the left after some rabbit tracks but I was talking to myself and banging poles together the whole way back to the car. Wouldn't have wanted to come up on it suddenly!
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby geojed » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:39 pm

geojed wrote:There should be an answer for "All except for option A". Heck, I cheer and urge people in my TR's to "poach" my trench. "Pass it on" I say. :D 8)

For the truly anal retentive :lol: , maybe we can have Bill add a button you can click when you add a peak to your summit list for "poached" a trench or "made your own". So, the absurd conclusion that one would get to following the logic of Answer A would be that since I just made a trench up to Horn Creek Basin to do Mt. Adams, if I went up there again tomorrow to do Little Horn and Fluted I would have to break a new trench parrallel to my previous one? :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby Floyd » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:42 pm

Just make sure that you don't poach the ski tracks off of Vail Pass towards Uneva. I did that on snowshoes last winter and a whiny piss-ant in thousands of $ of ski gear asked my climbing partners to kick my ass for him.
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby altidude » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:45 pm

Hike smarter, not harder. :wink:
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby Summit Lounger » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:31 pm

What if someone climbs a peak in calendar winter, but it is a dry one such as we have now? Everyone that climbed Huron earlier this year drove over the trench to Windield. Is that still poaching? :-" Can you poach a road?

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby seano732 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:18 pm

My buddy and I followed the trench on Mt. Yale last Monday, which promptly dead-ended, off-route in the trees. We then spent the next 2 hours swimming in really deep powder to reconnect w/ the CO trail, which we never did. @climbingbiz sounds like he had the same experience. Up till it stopped, the trench was really nice though..... BTW, has anyone seen the CO trail? ](*,)
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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby d_baker » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:35 pm

Furthermore wrote:I have encountered some political bickering regarding the utilization of trenches both personally and non-personally.

So... I have been wondering what the thoughts were on "poaching" trenches. Seems to be a hot topic with some and I was just curious what people thought about the issue.

Guilty as charged. I can be included in the above statement, because I've made snide comments about people poaching.
Sometimes it's all in fun, but sometimes not.

Furthermore wrote:Do you plan winter outings around where a trench has been placed?


Furthermore wrote:To me, it seems that people do utilize the placement of a trench. Hence the large wave of people that climbed Huron within just a few weeks (I am certainly guilty of this one). Or Little Bear, Blanca-Ellingwood. Etc.

I agree.

Furthermore wrote:Why does there have to be such a big pissing match?

Because I'm a jackass, and a curmudgeon, and, well, isn't that enough? ;)

crossfitter wrote:Using a trench that was already there? Not an a**hole.
Guilty. I'm glad I'm not an a**hole under this category.

Only climbing when there is a convenient trench? Weak, but not an a**hole.
I have not done that! Not an a**hole!

Intentionally starting late to let others lay a trench down so you can cruise? A**hole.
I have not done that. Though there's someone on here that is known for it, and that bothers me. Hello, teamwork? Lame.

Bragging about how fast/rad you are after letting everyone else break trail? A**hole.
See above comment.

I recently took jabs at someone on 14erW about trench poaching. I meant every word of it. I don't care. He probably knows about it. I don't care. I'm an a**hole.

Interesting thread, but I would have titled it, "The Art of Trench Poaching."
I did not vote.

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby jeremy27 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:34 pm

Reading Roof of the Rockies and just read about the Hayden survey's climb of Trinchera Peak. "On Trinchera the climbers followed the trail of a bear to the summit; by using the bear's tracks, they were able to avoid having to break their own trail for much of the way through the soft snow." I laughed out loud.

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby Jim Davies » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:25 am

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby hollamby » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:46 pm

crossfitter wrote:Intentionally starting late to let others lay a trench down so you can cruise? A**hole.

Bragging about how fast/rad you are after letting everyone else break trail? A**hole.

Following someone's trench, catching up and not offering to take over trail breaking? Mega a**hole.

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby jameseroni » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:12 pm

@Jim Davies - that's doggone friggin' hilarious. Thx for the laugh.

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Re: Poaching Trenches

Postby d_baker » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:16 pm

So that's a p**sy that can't break its own trench, right? But still stealing the glory. sigh.


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