Peak(s):	Mt. Harvard - 14,424 feet Mt. Princeton - 14,200 feet Mt. Shavano - 14,230 feet Tabeguache Peak - 14,158 feet Unnamed 13712 - 13,712 feet "Tigger Peak" - 13,272 feet Mt. Yale - 14,200 feet Mt. Antero - 14,271 feet
Date Posted:	03/25/2014
Modified:	09/16/2014
Date Climbed:	03/16/2014
Author:	SnowAlien

Winter in the Sawatch (Part 2)
Mt. Antero 12.26.13 Route: Winter variation from Baldwin Gulch TH RT Distance: ~11.5 miles RT Gain: ~5,000 ft RT Time: 8 hrs 45 min (7.30am to 4.15pm) Party: solo Snow gully looks suspect, so I took the rib Switchbacks are sort of a nuisance Cronin steals the show Staying on the dry rock-rib Snow(y) shoulder Traversing over to the saddle First look at the summit ridge Not too tricky despite the snow Cronin with Uncompahgre behind Summit - looking north Summit - looking west Summit - looking south (Sangres) Shavano & Tabegauche (on the descent) Since I liked my ascent route, I took the same route on the descent Last good look at the mountain ~3pm Antero on the drive-out Mt. Yale 12.28.13 Route: East Ridge from Avalanche Gulch TH RT Distance: ~10.5 miles RT Gain: ~5,000 ft RT Time: 9hrs 45 min (8am to 5.45pm) Party: Krista and Taylor (Lemmiwinks) A glorious trench Gaining the ridge First look at the East Ridge - and it is just the false summit @13.2k Navigating the obstacles on the ridge Generally up and over Taylor is charging ahead Even finding some snow the rocky section First look at the actual summit - the ridge looks a bit more snowy Taylor approaches the snowy headwall Krista on the headwall Final steps The summit team - Natalie, Taylor, Krista Harvard & Columbia Clouds starting to build - the winter storm is in the forecast later that day Short, but steep snow section Harvard Hello, snowshoes ~4pm We turn on afterburners and fly back to the TH, finishing the last mile in the dark. All in, a good winter day - although cloudy, not too cold or windy. Mt. Harvard Route/approach: Frenchman Creek TH Dates: February 16-17 Mileage: ~19 miles (5.5 + 13.5) Elevation: ~6.5k (3k + 3.5k) Time: 16 hr 45 min over 2 days (5.45 hr + 11 hr - exludes time spent packing the camp) Mode of transportation: AT skis Party: Will Day 1: Approach and camp at 11,400k With considerable snowfall in early February and high avy danger on most aspects it was time to pick the route that's relatively avy safe. Harvard from Frenchman creek seemed to fit the bill. Initially, my partner and I were planning on Harvard as a day trip. With weather deteriorating and winds increasing, I was feeling less and less confident that it can be pulled off as a day trip. President's day forecast looked better, so I decided to make it a two-day camping trip. On skis. Early on the approach - I am still smiling The snowmobiles packed the road for the first mile. We were fully expecting to start breaking the trail after that, but a pleasant surprise awaited. A local couple went snowshoeing and put a trench to about 10.5k. It was a bit tough to use a snowshoe trench for skinning, but I wasn't complaining. My partner seemed to enjoy having the track as well. After 3 miles, 2k and 3 hours, we came to the end of the trench. My partner had to work on Monday, so he headed down. From there, I was on my own. Skinning is a surprisingly efficient way to break trail (depending on the snow conditions, of course). And in this particular case, with heavy, wet snow, I was able mostly to stay afloat. The trail was hard to see and only by pure luck I was able to notice a creek crossing - I almost went right past it. Creek crossing Staying on track Pretty sure it's the correct drainage After over 5 miles and 5+ hours, it was time to look for a campsite. My goal was to set up camp near treeline at 11.3k and I tried to find a good secluded camping spot since the winds were forecasted to gust up to 60 mph overnight. Initially I was planning to build tall walls around the tent (Denali style), but discovered it wasn't needed. As soon as I found a flat spot and got off skis, I sunk thigh deep. That gave me a clue to start digging. The camp site ended up looking like a grave - with 4+ feet walls surrounding the tent on all sides with only the very tippy top exposed to the wind. It took me about an hour to excavate the site, melt snow and eat dinner. I got into the tent by 5pm, but before passing out I still had to take care of a few things. Boot liners, skins, gloves, etc needed to be dried off for tomorrow. I also discovered that the valve on my sleeping pad was malfunctioning and was not keeping air in. At least I had the closed cell foam pad. I put all my clothes on top of it, including the down jacket and it helped. I slept pretty soundly from 6pm to 2am, about 8 hours. Day 2 - Summit and ski out Next morning, I was on the trail around 6.30am. With the light pack, moving was much easier. I reached the treeline in about 15 or 20 minutes only to discover punishing winds. The wind forecast called for manageable winds to untill noon, and 50-60mph gusts thereafter. I knew I had to hurry. Columbia soon after sunrise Skinning Pretty deep snow Finally, Harvard appears in the distance In a few spots, it got pretty windy, but it was nothing compared to what it will be later As soon as I got into the upper basin, the winds subsided. I am guessing, I got protection from the Harvard-Columbia connecting ridge. It got almost balmy for a few hours! Carrying skis was starting to take a toll on me though and my pace slowded down. Lots of options for the ascent route, looking benign from the avy standpoint The Rabbits Heavy skis Mostly I was skinning, but in a few places I had to take skis off. Summit ridge looked pretty rocky and I should have left my skis at the 13.8k saddle. Instead, I stubbornly carried them to the summit I reached the summit near 1pm. Didn't linger for long. I skied a few short sections (including just off the summit), but the continuous ski descent started at 13.8k. The camera battery died so below are a few photos taken by the phone camera. The start of the continuous ski line ~13.8k A few powdery turns Since it was already past 2pm, the winds really picked up and basically sent me back to my campsite which I reached around 3.30pm. Skiing wasn't always great, but it was still skiing, not walking. Sastrugi ski Hard pack ski After quickly packing up the campsite, I was on the move at 4.15pm and reached the car 2 hours later. Ski conditions were highly variable - deep powder in the trees to about 10k, and then the "luge track" all the way to the car as the snow developed a suncrust which later refroze. Mt. Princeton Route/approach/TH: East Slopes, Mt. Princeton road from 8,900 ft Date: March 9 Mileage: ~12.3 miles Elevation: ~5.9k Time: ~13 hr 30 min Mode of transportation: snowshoes Party: Will The mountains had gotten a good amount of new snow in the prior week, but with the weather forecast looking almost perfect - sunny and very little wind - we decided to give Mt. Princeton a try. There were no new tracks, so we broke the trail from the parking lot There was definitely more snow than either of us was expecting We made a reasonably good time to the radio towers, but then... Deep snow became our companion for a while and our pace slowed We also entered the avalanche terrain, so we made sure to travel under the sketchy terrain one at a time. Breaking trail in knee-deep snow - approaching 11k Near 11.6k we came to the end of the road. My evaluation showed that the road traversed under the avalanche terrain (twice) and I wasn't comfortable following the summer route. Instead, we scrambled up mostly on rocks on steep terrain to reach the switchback a hundred feet or so above us. The end of the summer route (for us) But everybody's comfort level is different. Somebody caught up to us right at that juncture and proceeded to follow the summer route burried under the snow. We hanged around long enough to make sure the person is ok, but then continued - we had more trailbreaking to do. The road continues Tigger finally appears We stopped to regroup at 12.2k saddle and to stash our snowshoes. My partner told me that he was running on fumes, but gave me carte blanche to go ahead. On the other hand, I was feeling pretty good that day, so I pulled ahead. Princeton is covered in a coat of white The ridge to Tigger Looking at Princeton from Tigger - still quite a ways to go The ridge got windy in a couple of spots, but it was still manageable The remaining route to Princeton The shadows were gettiing longer... the summit was attained at 2.45pm Three Apostles and Huron Ridge to Tigger on the way back The cornice Antero The winds grew stronger and the day went on, and by the time I reached Tigger, the winds were gale force - and it was not in the forecast. Descending Tigger in high winds The descent off Tigger in limited visibility due to the blowing snow took almost an hour. I couldn't believe when I saw my partner waiting for me under such conditions. He wanted to make sure I found my snowshoes. As soon as I caught up to him, we basically ran for the protection of the treeline. The winds were strong even there and our morning tracks were almost covered already. So instead of re-breaking the trench, we decided to cut a few switchbacks on the way down. There was some wallowing in the willows, but at least it was on the downhill. Lower on the road we discovered that a lot of snow had already melted out earlier that day. We could barely recognize the road below 10k. We reached the TH shortly after 8pm. Shavano, Tabegauche and UN 13,712 Route/approach/TH: East Slopes up, Angel (glissade) - down; Angel of Shavano TH Date: March 16 Mileage: ~15.4 miles Elevation: ~7.1k Time: 14 hours 17 min Mode of transportation: snowshoes Party: solo After spending hours analyzing and agonizing over which winter-appropriate route to take, I was presented with this view the evening before the climb. After staring at the mountain for a while, I came to the conclusion that the summer route would likely be the most viable option. Next morning, I got a start around 6.10am from Angel of Shavano TH, which is less than 2 miles away from Blank Gulch TH. I followed Colorado Trail for a while, but in less than a mile, the tracks petered out. I discovered though that after a solid overnight freeze, I was able to stay afload and trailbraiking was not needed - for the first time this winter. Colorado trail on the approach Frozen forest I followed some random tracks here and there but quickly decided to stick with the waypoints on my GPS - the tracks looked to be all over the place, and not necessarily in the direction I was headed. Encouraged by the firm snow conditions I encountered on the approach, I decided to tackle the summer route heads on. It is probably steep enough to slide in poor snow conditions but today it provided a reasonably safe passage. I even encountered a snow bird or an angel. Snowsculpture Mt. Ouray on the approach Gaining the ridge At the end of the treeline, the snow effectively ended. I carried snowshoes for another 1k feet, and then parked them at 13.3k near Shavano saddle. Following the summer route Remaining ridge to Shavano Bicentennials Taylor and Aetna from the ridge I reached the summit somewhere around 1.20pm. My fatigue was exacerbated by a cold, but I didn't want to go through this excercise again to get to Tabegauche. So I proceeded. Tabegauche always looks further than expected from Shavano I also wanted to tag UN 13,712 (unnamed, but ranked 13er) since I reazoned it won't be that far off route and it looked like snowshoes won't be needed. Some half an hour later I was staring at the ridge. I estimated the detour cost me about 1.5 hour. Ridge up UN 13,712 Summit of UN13,712 looking at Antero It also provided a great overview of Tabegauche Heading up Tab Summit of Tab at 4pm Heading back to Shavano - thankfully, the ridge from the saddle is mostly dry Made it back to Shavano by 5pm Sangres from the summit of Shavano Some barely skiable line off Shavano - very rocky. We found better skiing conditions last May. Given the stable snow conditions encountered all day, I long ago decided that my descent line will be the Angel. I stumbled down to pick up my snowshoes and on the snow I go Instead of an ice ax, I carry a whippet, but it serves just fine. Angel makes for a very fast descent and I am back at 12k by 6pm. Looking at the Angel after the glissade I say good-bye to the Angel. I climbed it, I skied it, I glissaded it (twice). It's been very good to me. Snow is no longer firm, so I posthole on the way down. Still, I am able to reach the summer TH shortly after 7pm, just 2 hours after departing summit of Shavano. But I still have almost 2 miles to go. I reached the car at 8.30 pm after hiking in the dark which seemed to have lasted a long time. After this season, I have 3 Sawatch peaks left in winter - Missouri, Massive and Holy Cross. My GPS Tracks on Google Maps (made from a .GPX file upload): Login required to view this map...

Winter in the Sawatch (Part 2)

Mt. Antero

12.26.13
Route: Winter variation from Baldwin Gulch TH
RT Distance: ~11.5 miles
RT Gain: ~5,000 ft
RT Time: 8 hrs 45 min (7.30am to 4.15pm)
Party: solo

Snow gully looks suspect, so I took the rib

Switchbacks are sort of a nuisance

Cronin steals the show

Staying on the dry rock-rib

Snow(y) shoulder

Traversing over to the saddle

First look at the summit ridge

Not too tricky despite the snow

Cronin with Uncompahgre behind

Summit - looking north

Summit - looking west

Summit - looking south (Sangres)

Shavano & Tabegauche (on the descent)

Since I liked my ascent route, I took the same route on the descent

Last good look at the mountain ~3pm

Antero on the drive-out

Mt. Yale

12.28.13
Route: East Ridge from Avalanche Gulch TH
RT Distance: ~10.5 miles
RT Gain: ~5,000 ft
RT Time: 9hrs 45 min (8am to 5.45pm)
Party: Krista and Taylor (Lemmiwinks)

A glorious trench

Gaining the ridge

First look at the East Ridge - and it is just the false summit @13.2k

Navigating the obstacles on the ridge

Generally up and over

Taylor is charging ahead

Even finding some snow

the rocky section

First look at the actual summit - the ridge looks a bit more snowy

Taylor approaches the snowy headwall

Krista on the headwall

Final steps

The summit team - Natalie, Taylor, Krista

Harvard & Columbia

Clouds starting to build - the winter storm is in the forecast later that day

Short, but steep snow section

Harvard

Hello, snowshoes ~4pm

We turn on afterburners and fly back to the TH, finishing the last mile in the dark. All in, a good winter day - although cloudy, not too cold or windy.

Mt. Harvard

Route/approach: Frenchman Creek TH
Dates: February 16-17
Mileage: ~19 miles (5.5 + 13.5)
Elevation: ~6.5k (3k + 3.5k)
Time: 16 hr 45 min over 2 days (5.45 hr + 11 hr - exludes time spent packing the camp)
Mode of transportation: AT skis
Party: Will

Day 1: Approach and camp at 11,400k

With considerable snowfall in early February and high avy danger on most aspects it was time to pick the route that's relatively avy safe. Harvard from Frenchman creek seemed to fit the bill. Initially, my partner and I were planning on Harvard as a day trip. With weather deteriorating and winds increasing, I was feeling less and less confident that it can be pulled off as a day trip. President's day forecast looked better, so I decided to make it a two-day camping trip. On skis.

Early on the approach - I am still smiling

The snowmobiles packed the road for the first mile. We were fully expecting to start breaking the trail after that, but a pleasant surprise awaited. A local couple went snowshoeing and put a trench to about 10.5k. It was a bit tough to use a snowshoe trench for skinning, but I wasn't complaining. My partner seemed to enjoy having the track as well. After 3 miles, 2k and 3 hours, we came to the end of the trench. My partner had to work on Monday, so he headed down. From there, I was on my own. Skinning is a surprisingly efficient way to break trail (depending on the snow conditions, of course). And in this particular case, with heavy, wet snow, I was able mostly to stay afloat. The trail was hard to see and only by pure luck I was able to notice a creek crossing - I almost went right past it.

Creek crossing

Staying on track

Pretty sure it's the correct drainage

After over 5 miles and 5+ hours, it was time to look for a campsite. My goal was to set up camp near treeline at 11.3k and I tried to find a good secluded camping spot since the winds were forecasted to gust up to 60 mph overnight. Initially I was planning to build tall walls around the tent (Denali style), but discovered it wasn't needed. As soon as I found a flat spot and got off skis, I sunk thigh deep. That gave me a clue to start digging. The camp site ended up looking like a grave - with 4+ feet walls surrounding the tent on all sides with only the very tippy top exposed to the wind. It took me about an hour to excavate the site, melt snow and eat dinner. I got into the tent by 5pm, but before passing out I still had to take care of a few things. Boot liners, skins, gloves, etc needed to be dried off for tomorrow. I also discovered that the valve on my sleeping pad was malfunctioning and was not keeping air in. At least I had the closed cell foam pad. I put all my clothes on top of it, including the down jacket and it helped. I slept pretty soundly from 6pm to 2am, about 8 hours.

Day 2 - Summit and ski out

Next morning, I was on the trail around 6.30am. With the light pack, moving was much easier. I reached the treeline in about 15 or 20 minutes only to discover punishing winds. The wind forecast called for manageable winds to untill noon, and 50-60mph gusts thereafter. I knew I had to hurry.

Columbia soon after sunrise

Skinning

Pretty deep snow

Finally, Harvard appears in the distance

In a few spots, it got pretty windy, but it was nothing compared to what it will be later

As soon as I got into the upper basin, the winds subsided. I am guessing, I got protection from the Harvard-Columbia connecting ridge. It got almost balmy for a few hours! Carrying skis was starting to take a toll on me though and my pace slowded down.

Lots of options for the ascent route, looking benign from the avy standpoint

The Rabbits

Heavy skis

Mostly I was skinning, but in a few places I had to take skis off.

Summit ridge looked pretty rocky and I should have left my skis at the 13.8k saddle. Instead, I stubbornly carried them to the summit

I reached the summit near 1pm. Didn't linger for long.

I skied a few short sections (including just off the summit), but the continuous ski descent started at 13.8k. The camera battery died so below are a few photos taken by the phone camera.

The start of the continuous ski line ~13.8k

A few powdery turns

Since it was already past 2pm, the winds really picked up and basically sent me back to my campsite which I reached around 3.30pm. Skiing wasn't always great, but it was still skiing, not walking.

Sastrugi ski

Hard pack ski

After quickly packing up the campsite, I was on the move at 4.15pm and reached the car 2 hours later. Ski conditions were highly variable - deep powder in the trees to about 10k, and then the "luge track" all the way to the car as the snow developed a suncrust which later refroze.

Mt. Princeton

Route/approach/TH: East Slopes, Mt. Princeton road from 8,900 ft
Date: March 9
Mileage: ~12.3 miles
Elevation: ~5.9k
Time: ~13 hr 30 min
Mode of transportation: snowshoes
Party: Will

The mountains had gotten a good amount of new snow in the prior week, but with the weather forecast looking almost perfect - sunny and very little wind - we decided to give Mt. Princeton a try.

There were no new tracks, so we broke the trail from the parking lot

There was definitely more snow than either of us was expecting

We made a reasonably good time to the radio towers, but then...

Deep snow became our companion for a while and our pace slowed

We also entered the avalanche terrain, so we made sure to travel under the sketchy terrain one at a time.

Breaking trail in knee-deep snow - approaching 11k

Near 11.6k we came to the end of the road. My evaluation showed that the road traversed under the avalanche terrain (twice) and I wasn't comfortable following the summer route. Instead, we scrambled up mostly on rocks on steep terrain to reach the switchback a hundred feet or so above us.

The end of the summer route (for us)

But everybody's comfort level is different. Somebody caught up to us right at that juncture and proceeded to follow the summer route burried under the snow. We hanged around long enough to make sure the person is ok, but then continued - we had more trailbreaking to do.

The road continues

Tigger finally appears

We stopped to regroup at 12.2k saddle and to stash our snowshoes. My partner told me that he was running on fumes, but gave me carte blanche to go ahead. On the other hand, I was feeling pretty good that day, so I pulled ahead.

Princeton is covered in a coat of white

The ridge to Tigger

Looking at Princeton from Tigger - still quite a ways to go

The ridge got windy in a couple of spots, but it was still manageable

The remaining route to Princeton

The shadows were gettiing longer...

the summit was attained at 2.45pm

Three Apostles and Huron

Ridge to Tigger on the way back

The cornice

Antero

The winds grew stronger and the day went on, and by the time I reached Tigger, the winds were gale force - and it was not in the forecast.

Descending Tigger in high winds

The descent off Tigger in limited visibility due to the blowing snow took almost an hour. I couldn't believe when I saw my partner waiting for me under such conditions. He wanted to make sure I found my snowshoes. As soon as I caught up to him, we basically ran for the protection of the treeline. The winds were strong even there and our morning tracks were almost covered already. So instead of re-breaking the trench, we decided to cut a few switchbacks on the way down.

There was some wallowing in the willows, but at least it was on the downhill.

Lower on the road we discovered that a lot of snow had already melted out earlier that day. We could barely recognize the road below 10k. We reached the TH shortly after 8pm.

Shavano, Tabegauche and UN 13,712

Route/approach/TH: East Slopes up, Angel (glissade) - down; Angel of Shavano TH
Date: March 16
Mileage: ~15.4 miles
Elevation: ~7.1k
Time: 14 hours 17 min
Mode of transportation: snowshoes
Party: solo

After spending hours analyzing and agonizing over which winter-appropriate route to take, I was presented with this view the evening before the climb. After staring at the mountain for a while, I came to the conclusion that the summer route would likely be the most viable option.

Next morning, I got a start around 6.10am from Angel of Shavano TH, which is less than 2 miles away from Blank Gulch TH. I followed Colorado Trail for a while, but in less than a mile, the tracks petered out. I discovered though that after a solid overnight freeze, I was able to stay afload and trailbraiking was not needed - for the first time this winter.

Colorado trail on the approach

Frozen forest

I followed some random tracks here and there but quickly decided to stick with the waypoints on my GPS - the tracks looked to be all over the place, and not necessarily in the direction I was headed.

Encouraged by the firm snow conditions I encountered on the approach, I decided to tackle the summer route heads on. It is probably steep enough to slide in poor snow conditions but today it provided a reasonably safe passage.

I even encountered a snow bird or an angel.

Snowsculpture

Mt. Ouray on the approach

Gaining the ridge

At the end of the treeline, the snow effectively ended. I carried snowshoes for another 1k feet, and then parked them at 13.3k near Shavano saddle.

Following the summer route

Remaining ridge to Shavano

Bicentennials Taylor and Aetna from the ridge

I reached the summit somewhere around 1.20pm. My fatigue was exacerbated by a cold, but I didn't want to go through this excercise again to get to Tabegauche. So I proceeded.

Tabegauche always looks further than expected from Shavano

I also wanted to tag UN 13,712 (unnamed, but ranked 13er) since I reazoned it won't be that far off route and it looked like snowshoes won't be needed. Some half an hour later I was staring at the ridge. I estimated the detour cost me about 1.5 hour.

Ridge up UN 13,712

Summit of UN13,712 looking at Antero

It also provided a great overview of Tabegauche

Heading up Tab

Summit of Tab at 4pm

Heading back to Shavano - thankfully, the ridge from the saddle is mostly dry

Made it back to Shavano by 5pm

Sangres from the summit of Shavano

Some barely skiable line off Shavano - very rocky. We found better skiing conditions last May.

Given the stable snow conditions encountered all day, I long ago decided that my descent line will be the Angel.

I stumbled down to pick up my snowshoes and on the snow I go

Instead of an ice ax, I carry a whippet, but it serves just fine. Angel makes for a very fast descent and I am back at 12k by 6pm.

Looking at the Angel after the glissade

I say good-bye to the Angel. I climbed it, I skied it, I glissaded it (twice). It's been very good to me.

Snow is no longer firm, so I posthole on the way down. Still, I am able to reach the summer TH shortly after 7pm, just 2 hours after departing summit of Shavano.

But I still have almost 2 miles to go.

I reached the car at 8.30 pm after hiking in the dark which seemed to have lasted a long time.

After this season, I have 3 Sawatch peaks left in winter - Missouri, Massive and Holy Cross.

My GPS Tracks on Google Maps (made from a .GPX file upload):

Comments or Questions

jmanner	Nice! 3/26/2014 5:17pm haha not regretting bailing on Princeton...
MtnHub	Very nice, Natalie! 3/27/2014 1:23am Some really beautiful shots you got! Especially loved the 3 Apostles/Huron and your last shot! That looks like an oil painting!! Thanks for the trip to the Sawatch!
cftbq	You're a real beast, but... 3/27/2014 2:09am What (excuse my ignorance) is a whippet (to me, it's a dog...)?
BillMiddlebrook	GPX File 3/27/2014 3:16am Natalie, I hope you saw my post regarding the new GPX file upload stuff on 14ers.com maps. I had to remove the option from trip reports because it's confusing since there's already a GPX upload process for TRs. Also, you might notice that I made a few changes to the TR GPX file display so each track is individual and has it's own info window on the map. Looks much better. And GREAT job on getting these peaks and enjoying the snow!
moneymike	Lots of great pictures, 3/27/2014 7:50pm thanks for sharing
SnowAlien	comments 4/2/2015 7:45pm Doug - thanks a lot. Sawatch is definitely gets more scenic with snow. Let me know when you make it to Colorado again this summer - maybe our schedules will align for a hike or two. cftbq - whippet is a crossover between a hiking pole and an ice ax - google ”whippet ski pole”. I just realized I haven't used a standard ice ax on any of the peaks this winter. On more technical peaks, I used a hybrid ice ax/tool, and on more hikeable ones I use a whippet. Hybrids all the way! Bill - I saw the changes and just posted in the other thread thanking you for the upgrades. Much cleaner look for the .gps files - yay! And - thanks p.s. jmanner - you probably could have made it as far as the radio towers! 8)

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