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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby CarpeDM » Tue May 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Yeah, I'm with anna. I don't see how the edits place it in a more acceptable context.

inthemtns wrote:So, inherent in rule 2 is don’t start a list unless you know you can finish it.


I also disagree with just about everything you said, but this particular bit has got to be about the worst advice I've ever seen anywhere for anything! It is precisely the setting of goals that we suspect we might not be able to achieve that stirs the heart, engages the mind, and makes them worth going after. But, hey...

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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby DenneyR » Tue May 14, 2013 4:35 pm

Hey there...."intothemtns"

How is it you can find all that time and effort in beginning this post with your better than everyone attitude and not take the time to post an avatar???????

Maybe you don't really exist. Maybe you never climbed. Lets see some pics of the accomplishments you seem so proud of. I don't take much stock in people that don't have at least a picture of themselves.

Personally, I don't what reason someone hikes or climbs...........it's a personal thing and we do it the way that satisfies us most.

I also hate the term "peakbagger'. On any day the mountain can kick your ass, if it doesn't just be appreciative that you completed that days journey.
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby Fisching » Tue May 14, 2013 4:57 pm

inthemtns wrote:Regarding rule 2, I cringe at seeing people leave the harder peaks for last. When it comes to lists, it’s not how many, it’s which ones you’ve climbed that’s important. If you’ve climbed 97 centennials and have Jagged, Dallas, and Teakettle left to climb, what have you proved? So, inherent in rule 2 is don’t start a list unless you know you can finish it. And if you can finish it, don’t leave the harder ones for last. If you leave the hard ones for last, are you going to push through the peak with threatening weather? Or are you going to try to finish the list with a hard peak in October when it’s covered in snow? If you’re climbing a harder peak and you’re not that close to finishing, psychologically it’s probably easier to turn back and leave it for another day.


The bolded portion is the one thing I wouldn't be dismissive of. I know and speak from personal experience when I pushed myself (even on easier peaks for what it's worth) because completion of "the list" was within grasp. Would I make some of those same decisions now that I stupidly earned my check mark? Probably not. It's easy to say "be safe and climb another day," but judgement can easily be clouded when the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is within reach. Think of it as the last scene in Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade. I doubt I'm the only person who has found themselves in that predicament.

If these are the rules you choose to live by, then please by all means do so. Just don't expect many to agree with them. While Krakauer said "Mountains make poor receptacles for dreams," they're also poor places for unanimity.

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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby MonGoose » Tue May 14, 2013 5:10 pm

DenneyR wrote:Hey there...."intothemtns"

How is it you can find all that time and effort in beginning this post with your better than everyone attitude and not take the time to post an avatar???????

Maybe you don't really exist. Maybe you never climbed. Lets see some pics of the accomplishments you seem so proud of. I don't take much stock in people that don't have at least a picture of themselves.


Are you implying that intothemtns has been posing on this site for the past 6 years just so he could share his rules with us? I think the witch hunt is a bit uncalled for.
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby Mark A Steiner » Tue May 14, 2013 5:16 pm

I am neither a "peakbagger" nor a "mountaineer" but I immensely enjoy being in the high country.

A high point reached is icing on the cake for me.

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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby forbins_mtn » Tue May 14, 2013 5:29 pm

i made it about a sentence of that OP. holy god almighty. ](*,)

on that note: the people i see as "peak baggers" really seem to miss out on a lot of wonderful things that the wilderness represents
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby forbins_mtn » Tue May 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Trust me. I know Anna. That's why I had to put "seem" in italics. I know there's more to them than just that. The wilderness and physical exercise is something that represents something very important to me and it has basically saved my life so I cherish it a whole lot. :-D
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby rijaca » Tue May 14, 2013 6:28 pm

edit: After reading your edit to the responses to your "rules" (or guidelines, philosophies, or suggestions or whatever BS you'd like to call them), I've edited my original response:

Rules?! We don't need no stinkin' rules (or guidelines, philosophies, or suggestions or whatever BS you'd like to call them)!
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby GeezerClimber » Tue May 14, 2013 7:10 pm

CarpeDM wrote:Yeah, I'm with anna. I don't see how the edits place it in a more acceptable context.

inthemtns wrote:So, inherent in rule 2 is don’t start a list unless you know you can finish it.


I also disagree with just about everything you said, but this particular bit has got to be about the worst advice I've ever seen anywhere for anything! It is precisely the setting of goals that we suspect we might not be able to achieve that stirs the heart, engages the mind, and makes them worth going after. But, hey...



+1000. It's like telling people to never take on a challenge in anything unless positive of success. Starting a business for example. I guess no one ever would dare by this rule.

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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby TallGrass » Tue May 14, 2013 7:13 pm

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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby Steve Knapp » Tue May 14, 2013 7:31 pm

Looks like you got into some deep water with this one D'Arcy. Nothing wrong with that, makes for an interesting discussion. I'm glad you have rules, more power to you. But I head to the peaks to get away from rules. I don't need to define mountaineer versus peakbagger. Its all about doing what you like, spending time outside, getting some great exercise, challenging yourself, spending time with others, I could go on. Its the old quality versus quantity argument, and I have just as much fun on quantity days as I do on quality days, if that can even be defined. I've climbed all the 14ers and over half the 13ers so far and have a great time doing it. But I also enjoy a 10-peak day of 8ers and 9ers, and have even climbed 4ers (ranked peaks far below the elevation I live at). If mountaineering is climbing Jagged, Dallas, the Grand Teton, etc then I love that. Some of the hardest peaks in the state are peaks far below the mountaineer's radar. Try something like Big Rock Candy Mountain, Chair Rocks, the Palisade. Get the skills to do it, and you can have as much fun as you would on Lizard Head. Just do what you love and don't worry about classifying it.

Peakbagging is not a bad word, embrace it.
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Re: My rules for peak bagging

Postby zdero1 » Tue May 14, 2013 7:32 pm

I think the OP did a fair job of saying that these rules are his own (I don't know what he edited and when). It's not a bad thing that he posted his perspective. Some things we agree with and some things we don't. We all get into the backcountry for different reasons that can be deeply personal to us (or you can go for no reason at all, OR to get high on meth like those two ppl in California). This was just his version of it. I didn't find the OP to be condescending. Personally, I'm trying to soak in as much perspective as possible especially now that the 14ers I have yet to finish are quickly becoming more difficult. This thread seems to be a precursor for some 14ers forum summer drama.

I will say is that I'm not a huge fan of labeling. Climbing/hiking/EPIC/etc. For me it's just a waste of time that could be better spent planning the next great trip.

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