MountainFan wrote:How many of the 14ers would fall under the first 3 of lordhelmut's categories?
Probably all of them save for three, and there's only one I can think of that would truly fall into category five.
Fletch wrote:Dave B wrote:lordhelmut wrote:5 - Suicidal Dick waiving contest...
I like the simplicity of such a scale and think it would suffice for those confident in their skills.
And yet, I see so much future dick waiving. A 5.9 guy obviously has an advantage over a 5.5 guy, but as they say, it really depends on how you use it...
lordhelmut wrote:...than Dead Dog, which has turned in to a highway in recent years. The East Face Direct of Torreys, that is probably a D13, but Dead Dog is probably a D10 or less...
George James wrote:Just go ski something Dave
I dunno, this weekend maybe? Maybe not, I don't think it snowed much up there in the past 24 hours.Dave wrote:When are you heading up lake agnes way again?
If you simply must rate the route itself I suppose I agree, but I think it works OK to grade the ability level(s) of the skier, then match a route (or zone) with what grade of skier would/could ski it competently. Tom Turiano's Teton book does it that way and it makes enough sense. I'm particulary fond of the suicidal dick waver skier grade in that guide, says something like 'transcends physical, mental, and spiritual planes in order to accurately assess the situation.' Heh, nice.Middle Man wrote:I don't think a skiers ability level matters when coming up with a specific rating, it should depend on the attributes of the route.
Fletch wrote:Go ski them all and then write a book...
Fletch wrote:It's futile gents... just let it go...
George James wrote:I dunno, this weekend maybe? Maybe not, I don't think it snowed much up there in the past 24 hours.Dave wrote:When are you heading up lake agnes way again?
lordhelmut wrote:Good points Zach.
In all seriousness - one thing I don't understand that I noticed on Dawson's rating system was The Snake on Sneffels was rated a D11, The Deming Drop a D10 and then the Dead Dog a D13. My first guess would be that he is trying to bring to light the seriousness of a line so accessible and popular, to possibly deter "newbs" so they take it more seriously. It seems a lot of people have died on that line over the years, mainly due to poor decision making (as in skiing the line in winter during periods of considerable avy dangers). You would think a line with a mandatory rap off the summit and 45-50 degree complex terrain for 2000 feet and then a potential re-ascent to Lavender Col, would be significantly more difficult, physically and technically, than Dead Dog, which has turned in to a highway in recent years. The East Face Direct of Torreys, that is probably a D13, but Dead Dog is probably a D10 or less.
Dave B wrote:Where do these come from? Are they determined by the "first decensionist" the way FAers get to rate rock climbs? Or is it a consensus?
I'm assuming that these are quite dependent upon conditions, but is there a comprehensive list of these ratings available somewhere? I've noticed that Lou Dawson has a select list of descents for each rating, but I'm interested in something more specific to CO.
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