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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby larkinrx2 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:55 pm

Of course we all wonder if this was Middlebrook back in the day......... :-D

What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - That's all I need the ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, and this magazine, and the chair and I don't need one other thing, except my dog.
[Shithead growls at him]
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby BillMiddlebrook » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:13 pm

Ha!
Sorry, I wouldn't drive a VW. 8)
However, I did once own an '76 van with inside paneling, shag carpet and a killer home stereo wired in for the Rush. Oh, and a cabinet which conveniently held a 1/4 keg.
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby GregMiller » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:33 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote:Ha!
Sorry, I wouldn't drive a VW. 8)
However, I did once own an '76 van with inside paneling, shag carpet and a killer home stereo wired in for the Rush. Oh, and a cabinet which conveniently held a 1/4 keg.


Once? What do you mean once? Why would you ever sell such a sweet ride?!?! \:D/
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Postby USAKeller » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:38 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote:I still miss it. :(

I'll bet you do - after hearing all the stories! :-"
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby Shawnee Bob » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:40 pm

Live to work, or work to live. I choose the latter. But I definitely appreciate the former.

In two-plus decades in the news business, I've worked hellish hours, in crappy offices and on high-pressure deadlines. In the earlier days of my career, the pay was abyssmal; now, it's livable. I've seen the best and worst of people, and at the same time, worked with some really fantastic folks. The job has given me enough money to flirt with this whole mountain thing, but in the course of doing the job, I've also been able to see, hear, smell and taste things that otherwise would have been denied me. And I've learned a lot.

I toy with the idea of becoming some backcountry wanderer or perhaps make a living doing something like becoming a forest ranger. But I can't complain. If variety is the spice of life, I've been living life's version of Thai food for quite a long time now.
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby SuperiorTrailHiker » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:19 pm

cheeseburglar wrote:It could be worse. Do work, get money, do stuff.


I worked with an attorney years back who had a photograph of himself sitting knee-deep in muddy water in a bunker in Vietnam. Instead of being on general display, the picture faced him on his desk, next to his phone, and a little brass plaque on the frame said "Never Forget. It Can Always Be Worse."

Guy came in promptly at nine, worked like hell all day, and left promptly at 4:30 no matter what. There was a 50/50 chance he'd be in on any given Friday. "Priorities outrank demands" he'd say sometimes - I liked the balance and try to emulate it.

Take pride in what you do, earn your pay, but protect your time for yourself and your family. There is no constant "true self" for me, it fluctuates by the hour on any given day, depending. Yes, I can get that project in on time and under budget, no I will not miss my son's game for your meeting.
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby Point North » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:07 am

True, but I was referring to the fact that once you get married, and especially once you have kids, the corporate route is just about the only option. That's reality in today's world. Unless your daddy left you a few million.

And the drive to bond with a spouse and reproduce is a very powerful genetic software program that no normal person can resist. So in that sense, there really is no free will. Many a young man has said ... "I'm not gonna get married because it'll crimp my style. You'll never catch me in a suit and tie." :wft: Uh huh.

LTbear wrote:
Point North wrote:Like it or not, we're ruled by our biology and its software programs, primarily the reproductive program. Meet a girl and your "true self" quickly becomes the man in the suit.

Look deeper, and you may find that "you" are not in control at all. Your genes are. Most of a person's life is dedicated to ensuring that their genes are immortal -- getting passed along forever in successive generations of individuals. "You" are just along for the ride.

So perhaps the "you" behind the scenes really would like to spend a lifetime bummin around doing what you really want, but your genes and their software will have none of it.


Meh. Don't get too defeatist about it all. Your genes don't determine THAT much about your thought processes, I can assure you. Your mind, as you cultivate it, has immense power. (And I'm a genetecist).
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby zephyr_pelicante » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:48 am

To some the psychological approach feels de-humanizing. What is the "self" other than a set of grey cells that are some function of our genetics and environment. Haha, it's an interesting notion to say the least.

One paradigm is that the abstract concept of humanity is still preserved even though neuroscience/psychology can map many components of our behavior and personality to our genetics and environment. For example, sure a computer is made up of some architecture of an arrangement of transistors and bits, but I'm more concerned about my ability to stream the nfl game than the permutation of the bit states.

Another good point: do higher levels of "freedom" really lead to higher well-being? There's an excellent argument made in psychologist Barry Schwartz's "The Paradox of Choice" that suggests that our limited cognitive resources make it so that we're actually paralyzed in a way by having more options, and what we think of as "freedom" will actually lead to more dissatisfaction. He introduces 2 types, maximizers and satisficers. Maximizers are those who evaluate every choice and make a rational decision based on all options evaluated. Satisficers are those who operate through bounded choice and settle on options that are "good enough". Schwartz suggests the maximizers are objectively better off but subjectively worse off.

Apply that to careers. Folks could search for the *perfect* career and attempt construct and maximize some sort of utility/happiness function for themselves. They could weigh the plethora of options like location, compensation package, quality of work environment etc. but they will always ask themselves the questions that several have asked in this thread and will continue to ask them to themselves through the course of their lives! These "what if" questions can be terrifying!

In my case I'm a graduating senior so there are theoretically a ton of options I could have, but here in the next couple weeks I fully intend to "satisfice" and pick a small private engineering firm in Golden over the big name "what if" offers I've received.
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby ajkagy » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:06 pm

zephyr_pelicante wrote:In my case I'm a graduating senior so there are theoretically a ton of options I could have, but here in the next couple weeks I fully intend to "satisfice" and pick a small private engineering firm in Golden over the big name "what if" offers I've received.


Jobs and the corporate world are overrated. Make sure you relish your time in school before you hit the "real" world. I did the cube thing for awhile then got a taste of freedom and the good life...it would be really hard to go back now.
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Re: Does anyone else ever feel like this?

Postby YouAndWhatGendarme » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:06 pm

In my early 20s, as a college dropout who ate most of his meals from random bits assembled from the 99 cent store, I jumped at the chance to launch head-first into the corporate world to be "a success". I worked my way up in the IT world from printer jockey to eventually become an absurdly overpaid Systems Architect for the TV/film industry. It came at a steep price though and I found myself at 27 in the middle of a complete nervous breakdown, divorced and addicted to the anti-anxiety drugs I had been prescribed.

I realized I had made a mistake and needed to reinvent myself. So I packed up the things that could fit in the back of my car (mostly my backpacking / climbing gear), swore off the corporate world, moved back home to CO, and slept on my bouldering pad in a rented room for six months while I got my S*&^ together. I ended up getting a retail job and things started improving steadily.

After about a year and a half, I found myself in a conundrum; I was offered a job back in the corporate world I swore I'd never go back to, only this time it was for a small-ish outdoor brand. And I took it. It was the best decision I had made in years.

Yeah, I work in a cubicle in an office. Only this time it's for a company whose culture I can fully embrace and who understands work-life balance (and graciously looks the other way when I decide to take off on Friday to go hike and climb and play, I mean... "test gear", in the mountains I love so much). Sure there's stress, sure there's bureaucracy, I'm not pulling in six-figures like I used to and I still have to live modestly and pay my dues - but the balance is there and it turns out that THAT is what I was missing all along.

And I'm a much happier and better person because of it.
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