Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby Tommy Dorr » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:21 am

Bullwinkle wrote:Yep, whoever did that was a putz.

Naphthalene, a solid benzene derivative, is the main ingredient in mothballs--and benzene may be carcinogenic. A cost-effective and safe option is to just buy a restaurant size container of cayenne or red pepper, and sprinkle around the vehicle. Alternatively, there are commercial products for various critter types.

http://www.critter-repellent.com/?source=GoogleAW


Good info here. Thanks :)
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby Dozer » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:29 am

And I've been scattering Meatballs around my car all this time. Idiot.

Although the bears they attract do keep the porkies away.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby Bullwinkle » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Tommy Dorr wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:Yep, whoever did that was a putz.

Naphthalene, a solid benzene derivative, is the main ingredient in mothballs--and benzene may be carcinogenic. A cost-effective and safe option is to just buy a restaurant size container of cayenne or red pepper, and sprinkle around the vehicle. Alternatively, there are commercial products for various critter types.

http://www.critter-repellent.com/?source=GoogleAW


Good info here. Thanks :)



I should have noted a caveat with the Cayenne pepper. It is effective in keeping porcupines away, but may draw in a roving pack of yappy Chihuahuas.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby coloradokevin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:07 pm

I really doubt that note was left by the USFS. At the very least, I very much doubt that it was a forest service employee who stuffed the mothballs into your ventilation system.

I once had a partner at work throw the contents of a busted pepperball into my work car's intake as a joke (I'm in law enforcement). That bastard is still waiting to taste a pepper spray and jelly sandwich one of these days... nothing like concentrated pepper agent spraying in your face when you start the car!
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby sam » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:43 pm

I did speak with someone who works for the Forest Service. He said that he was with the woman ranger when she left the note, but that they did not or would not put them in the air intake.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby sunny1 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:25 pm

sam wrote:I did speak with someone who works for the Forest Service. He said that he was with the woman ranger when she left the note, but that they did not or would not put them in the air intake.


I'm glad to hear this, thanks for sharing - pretty horrible for Paula.

Have been at the Maroon Lake TH 3 times in the past 7 weeks.
On each trip, I have seen moth balls under at least 1 vehicle.
I agree with those that suggest USFS signage informing users about moth ball hazards at the TH's would be helpful.
Yesterday I counted 3 porcupines on the Maroon Creek Rd in the wee hrs of the a.m.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby krs1 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:36 pm

That's an awesome story!!! Try erecting this sh&%show...I call it the Bugaboo Ft. Knox, good thing it was a rental vehicle.
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby MountainHiker » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:13 pm

Maybe porcupine balls around the vehicle will scare them away! :twisted:
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby sunny1 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:41 pm

MountainHiker wrote:Maybe porcupine balls around the vehicle will scare them away! :twisted:


:lol:
I'll shift my focus to neutering porcupines
We could recycle the balls. :wink:

krs1, that's awesome! :lol: Where was that?
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby krs1 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:50 pm

The fortification was erected @ the Bugaboos TH in British Columbia. All supplies is provided and instructions are right next to you. It does wonders to the paint job. Mothballs are for cheaters!!!
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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby Hypersnow » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:06 pm

I will probably be harassed incessantly for writing this reply, but....

I work/manage the crew at the Maroon Bells, and have for 3 years. I did not write the note, nor do I recognize the handwriting. That being said, I am not there every day, nor am I in every place at all times. 1st point - If you use mothballs, CLEAN THEM UP. They are litter; and believe it or not, it is extremely annoying to clean them up daily (and yes we clean them up that often). 2nd point - porcupines are only a problem in the spring (May - mid July); if you notice the hosts who are parked there for 3 months or more, have no "porky protection" around their vehicles or RV's after mid-July. 3rd point - Give anyone who works or volunteers at this area a break. They deal with the public non-stop for 4 months; and quite often the public is not very cognizant of their impact on the wilderness/forest or plain just don't care. Finally - please respect any requests of USFS while using this recreation area; believe it or not we are doing our best to manage it for the extreme use this area gets, to preserve it for generations to come. This beautiful area is on the verge of being "loved to death".

That being said; I will talk to my employees and volunteers tomorrow. If anyone did place the mothballs purposely in your intake; I will ask that they write a letter of apology.

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Re: Maroon, Mothballs, and a note from the USFS

Postby RyGuy » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:39 pm

Hypersnow wrote:I will probably be harassed incessantly for writing this reply, but....

I work/manage the crew at the Maroon Bells, and have for 3 years. I did not write the note, nor do I recognize the handwriting. That being said, I am not there every day, nor am I in every place at all times. 1st point - If you use mothballs, CLEAN THEM UP. They are litter; and believe it or not, it is extremely annoying to clean them up daily (and yes we clean them up that often). 2nd point - porcupines are only a problem in the spring (May - mid July); if you notice the hosts who are parked there for 3 months or more, have no "porky protection" around their vehicles or RV's after mid-July. 3rd point - Give anyone who works or volunteers at this area a break. They deal with the public non-stop for 4 months; and quite often the public is not very cognizant of their impact on the wilderness/forest or plain just don't care. Finally - please respect any requests of USFS while using this recreation area; believe it or not we are doing our best to manage it for the extreme use this area gets, to preserve it for generations to come. This beautiful area is on the verge of being "loved to death".

That being said; I will talk to my employees and volunteers tomorrow. If anyone did place the mothballs purposely in your intake; I will ask that they write a letter of apology.

Jennifer Belknap
USFS - Aspen RD


Thank you Jennifer for all your hard work keeping the area around the Bells nice and well cared for. I have been up there 3 or 4 times just this summer alone and it's always well taken care of- at least as much as can be given your resources.

Hopefully people realize the problem here isn't your fault. You guys are doing your best to protect the fragile environment. People need to be more respectful of the fact that they are guests in the wilderness area. You don't get to just do with it as you please, just as most polite and respectful people wouldn't just go over to a friend's house and unload a bug bomb in the livingroom after seeing a spider run under the couch.

It's unfortunate someone put the mothballs in her air intake, but it sounds like it wasn't someone with USFS. Lessons about mothballs and the enviroment learned. Enough said.

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