Winter Jacket Decision

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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby Dave B » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:07 am

SurfNTurf wrote:
kansas wrote:Edit: I don't see where Patagonia is offering a Guide jacket with hood this season? Am I missing something? If its available, that would be a great choice, as Derek and Surf say.


I had to search the site for "Guide Hoody" and it popped up on sale for $125. Must be left over from last year and for whatever reason they didn't bring it back.

I've had the chance to play with the First Ascent 18K Jacket a bit and it meets all the criteria, as well. The Colorado Mills Eddie Bauer outlet has a TON right now for half-off.


The Guide Hoody can be had for $64.99 right now. I've been thinking about getting one except for the fact that Outdoor Gear Lab completely eviscerates the jacket giving it one out of five stars.

Outdoor Gear Lab wrote:The Patagonia Guide Hoody is a most disappointing softshell. It excels at nothing, has neither unique nor performance-oriented features, and worst of all, it doesn’t look good.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby Carl » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:08 am

RamanDestroyer wrote:So basically I'll need the jacket to be waterproof, wind resistant, light and helmet capable.

Do you have any suggestions (maybe around $200-$350 range)?


If you wear a size large http://14ers.com/php14ers/gearclass.php?entry=1614&parmuser=Carl
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby Bean » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:32 am

Carl wrote:
RamanDestroyer wrote:So basically I'll need the jacket to be waterproof, wind resistant, light and helmet capable.

Do you have any suggestions (maybe around $200-$350 range)?


If you wear a size large http://14ers.com/php14ers/gearclass.php?entry=1614&parmuser=Carl


And I've got a medium Super Pluma new with tags that I still haven't taken back which I'll let go for $220. Orange.

My layering system changes significantly based on where I'm going, the weather, distance from the car, what I'm doing, etc., but in winter generally consists of wool base layers (short or long sleeves, boxer-briefs or 3/4-length leggings) under a soft or hard shell, with a down or synthetic puffy to go on top if needed.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby Oman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:40 am

This Sierra Designs Vapor jacket softshell is a dead ringer for the great old but sadly departed Patagonia Ascensionist jackehttp://www.backcountry.com/sierra-designs-vapor-hooded-softshell-jacket-mens

$55 at backcountry.com, but got mine for $50 on steepandcheap.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby Derek » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:47 am

kansas wrote:Edit: I don't see where Patagonia is offering a Guide jacket with hood this season? Am I missing something? If its available, that would be a great choice, as Derek and Surf say.


Well that sucks. Why the hell would they continue the non hooded version but not the hooded? Kinda disappointed...I may try to find a clearance version of mine to have for a replacement someday when I need it.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby prestone818 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:48 am

one can never have enough jackets.

+1 for layering and a versatile soft shell
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby RamanDestroyer » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:46 pm

Hell yes, you guys are awesome! I just got home and need to do some serious research into this but thanks a ton for all the advice in the mean time.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby SchralpTheGnar » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:00 pm

Here's what I use and love for my winter hiking\climbing\skiing\parapenting system.

Here's what I usually wear when I'm out in the winter time, and note that I run hot.
Patagonia long sleeve capilene, mid weight.
short sleeve north face tshirt.
Marmot Sharp Point soft shell (not exactly this one, but it's the closest one they make now), it's gore windstopper and has a decent collar, can get through pretty rugged conditons.

I carry two other coats that I don't usual
Then I carry a North Face technical shell, it's like the point five now, but an older version. I usually only wear this if it gets super windy as it as a nice hood.
I keep a north face down puffy in my pack usually, it's not the nupste but it's similar, I think mine is 800 fill but I'm not sure, it's warm as heck and compresses down to a chipotle burrito. I only wear this in the parking lot getting dressed, on the summit switching over for the descent, or if we're camping.

I love all of my coats, I mean I really love them man.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby randalmartin » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:23 pm

You are going to get scores of replies with everyone favoring their particular brand/model. One of the most important considerations for any season is breathability. For Fall, Winter and Spring you probably won't be dealing with rain and waterproof membranes suck when it comes to breathability.

Layer 1: Baselayer
Layer 2: Softshell with a hood (Only needed when windy/cold or snow/sleet)
Layer 3: Parka/Belay (Only needed on summit or stops). For Fall/Spring you may get away with Down Sweater equivalent. In winter you need something like a Patagonia DAS Parka.

For summer I simply swap out the softshell with a windshirt like the Marmot Driclime windshirt, Patagonia Houdini for Layer 2 and may only bring a insulated vest for Layer 3.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby smrcka » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:33 pm

"Pit zips and others are important. I'm constantly using them."

Uh-oh, it's a good thing the Baron isn't around to read that statement!
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby winmag4582001 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:10 pm

http://www.backcountry.com/the-north-face-point-five-jacket-mens

I bought one of these and love it. There is a new one out for 2013, not sure what the price is going to be though.
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Re: Winter Jacket Decision

Postby MountainMedic » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:16 pm

Obviously people wear a lot of different stuff and you'll be getting lots of different advice. I'm a Patagoniac myself, but my underlying philosophy is that there is no such thing as "winter" clothing. Pretty much all of my stuff gets worn all four seasons.

Upper Body:
Patagonia Cap3 layer
Patagonia Cap4 1/4 zip layer
Patagonia down sweater OR Arcteryx Sniper Jacket
Patagonia Super Alpine Hardshell Jacket OR Patagonia Super Guide Jacket

Lower Body:
Patagonia Cap4 bottoms, only when subzero
Patagonia insulated softshell pants, no longer made

I'd love to throw a hooded softshell in there, but I really don't need it. I'll admit that it's taken me years to accrue this gear - I've gotten it all at sales - but it really is worth it. Every single upper body article gets worn year-round. Don't invest in a "winter" jacket unless you're climbing some very big and very cold mountains.

As for the stuff you've listed - the Traverse and the Houdini will do NOTHING. Throwing on a Patagonia wind shell in a Colorado winter is like pissing on the Woodland Park fire. Make a good shell your first priority, and check out sales at GoLite (awesome hooded softshells) and Patagonia web specials.

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