What happened to Missy?

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby BillMiddlebrook » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:07 pm

guitarman wrote:I am reiderating these thoughts because whoever runs this website decided my post wasn't inline with his philosohies and deleted my post. Oh well, no pesky 1st Amendment rights around here.

Just went through the logs and NONE of your posts were deleted; Let's call it user-error. :roll:

guitarman wrote:So in closing I won't bother looking at this website again since it is so closeminded that it would support someone leaving his dog to die on a mountain and not even having the humanity to call someone to let them know what had happened.

Did you even read the details of this incident? I guess that's a rhetorical question since you won't be posting again.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby MtHurd » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:34 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote:
guitarman wrote:I am reiderating these thoughts because whoever runs this website decided my post wasn't inline with his philosohies and deleted my post. Oh well, no pesky 1st Amendment rights around here.

Just went through the logs and NONE of your posts were deleted; Let's call it user-error. :roll:

guitarman wrote:So in closing I won't bother looking at this website again since it is so closeminded that it would support someone leaving his dog to die on a mountain and not even having the humanity to call someone to let them know what had happened.

Did you even read the details of this incident? I guess that's a rhetorical question since you won't be posting again.


He might be back, it only took him a few minutes to post again after he said he wasn't coming back.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby dogguyscott » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:36 pm

Let me start by saying…
** As a human to 2 “rescue dogs” – THANK YOU to the fantastic people who rescued this sweet girl…may the universe bestow whatever blessings it can on you for your kind spirits and acts.
** Thank you to the members of this community for providing, by far, the most meaningful forum for an “outsider” to gain some perspective on this issue.
** I am NOT a mountain climber (how I do envy you guys) and cannot claim any credibility to those related issues.
** I am NOT a lawyer and should not be considered an authority on law (particularly Colorado since I don’t live there), so a big grain of salt is appropriate.
** I’m providing the information and opinions in this post simply hoping to provide some objective context to the fine people on this forum.

SO…
** I believe the there are 2 Colorado laws that will drive the direction, assuming sufficient public pressure is brought to bear…
** RE: Cruelty to Animals http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscost18_9_201.htm#s201
** RE: Pet Animal Care and Facilities Act http://animallaw.info/statutes/stuscost35_80_101_117.htm#s106_3
** If Mr. Ortolani is charged with animal cruelty, possible outcomes might include…
** Negotiated forfeiture of the dog in exchange for dropping charges
** Motion from prosecuting attorney for Mr. Ortolani to forfeit the dog upon conviction
** From my glancing through the law pertaining to animal facilities, if the dog has been abandoned for longer than 5 days (whether in or out of the facility’s direct control), the animal becomes the property of the facility/agency and they can do as they see fit. So even if no charges are brought, Mr. Ortolani may have slim legs to stand on for his request/claim.

The reason I point these out is to demonstrate to those so inclined that there are legal outcomes to pursue and leverage beyond moral outrage (as fair as that may be). As has already been said, thank goodness for the strong spirit of the sweet baby and the goodwill of those special folks who answered her call.

My wife and I are big believers in the concept of “natural, logical consequences”, when not inhumane. I know Mr. Ortolani says he had been mourning his dog’s loss and is hoping for a second chance. Perhaps the best outcome is for him, in fact, to “have” to mourn her loss (though not through death) and maybe find his second chance/penance in doing a better job as partner human to another deserving dog in need of its own rescue.

I hope I haven’t offended anyone; apologies if I have. Thanks again for a generally thoughtful discussion.
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It's the Weekend - Go Climbing an F-ing Mountain!!!

Postby Fisching » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:40 pm

BillMiddlebrook wrote:
guitarman wrote:I am reiderating these thoughts because whoever runs this website decided my post wasn't inline with his philosohies and deleted my post. Oh well, no pesky 1st Amendment rights around here.

Just went through the logs and NONE of your posts were deleted; Let's call it user-error. :roll:

guitarman wrote:So in closing I won't bother looking at this website again since it is so closeminded that it would support someone leaving his dog to die on a mountain and not even having the humanity to call someone to let them know what had happened.

Did you even read the details of this incident? I guess that's a rhetorical question since you won't be posting again.



"User Error." Likely excuse from a micro-manager... A
Anyways, renaming the topic in order to derail it even more so. And here's a random picture:
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby Wish I lived in CO » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:47 pm

its_not_a_tuba wrote:So 4 of the top 6 most recent posts are threads about dogs. This is getting out of hand. Maybe someone should search all the dog threads they can find and bump em back to life just to make things even crazier.

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby tmathews » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:48 pm

Odd, I haven't seen any of the Denver stations report this yet, but here's a tidbit from a Colorado Springs station: http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Strangers-Band-Together-For-Dog-Rescue-From-Mt-Bierstadt-166468416.html

The Clear Creek County Sheriff’s office investigated the case and found the dog’s owner was Anthony Joseph Ortolani. He is charged with cruelty to animals and due to appear in court on October 16.


I guess it's true. This just hit the DP: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21337462/man-who-left-dog-colorado-mountain-faces-animal
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby kansas » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:51 pm

tmathews wrote:Odd, I haven't seen any of the Denver stations report this yet, but here's a tidbit from a Colorado Springs station: http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Strangers-Band-Together-For-Dog-Rescue-From-Mt-Bierstadt-166468416.html

The Clear Creek County Sheriff’s office investigated the case and found the dog’s owner was Anthony Joseph Ortolani. He is charged with cruelty to animals and due to appear in court on October 16.


I guess it's true. This just hit the DP: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21337462/man-who-left-dog-colorado-mountain-faces-animal

Dammit, Terry.

Lets try this again.
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby mtnflyer » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:53 pm

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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby tmathews » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:54 pm

kansas wrote:Dammit, Terry.

Lets try this again.


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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby Jim Davies » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:58 pm

Did someone mention turtles?
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Re: What happened to Missy?

Postby Matt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Terry, please keep your crushes to yourself, but I like this trend otherwise.

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Re: It's the Weekend - Go Climbing an F-ing Mountain!!!

Postby Fisching » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:08 pm

kansas wrote: Dammit, Terry.

Lets try this again.
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"Respect the mountain. Train hard. Hope you can sneak up when it isn't looking."
"The mind is always worried about consequences, but the heart knows no fear. The heart just does what it wants."

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