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another land grab

Postby Matt » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:43 am

Read about it here:

I could not care less about this guy or the political maneuvering of his various family members with regards to national elections. Neither do I want to discuss here the environmental impact of the mining in Somerset. Partisan nonsense and liberal vs conservative tribalism are not the issues here, so I hope we can avoid that crap in this thread.
What concerns me are Koch's Rusty NIchols/Red McCombs tactics and his using well-placed connections and bought politicians to game the system, thus depriving the rest of us access to wilderness land.
Even Ted Turner's million acres outside Bozeman, MT, are split by a FS road that allows commoners to access a campground surrounded by his private playground.
This goes well beyond whether Bean can ride his bike there. If this goes through, all access disappears for everyone not a friend of Koch. I think this kind of selfishness is repugnant.
I'm not disputing his building a private playground on the land he already has. It appears that he's contributing to some families getting by in the area as a result of the construction.
How much land does this man need?

Do any other members/part of the 99% have knowledge of the area he's trying to co-opt? Are there any ranked peaks of note, cool spots to camp, etc., in the land grab and/or Ragged Mountains area?
How much use does Deep Creek see that would be prohibited or much harder to access?
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Re: another land grab

Postby Floyd » Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:52 pm

Koch's activities in the region are centered on his latest obsession, building an "authentic" Western town in a former pasture at the base of the incredibly scenic Ragged Mountains, about 12 miles up Highway 133 from Paonia and just east of Paonia Reservoir.


I am vaguely familiar with the area between Paonia and Paonia reservoir and it doesn't offer a whole lot from a mountaineering perspective. About the only mountain of significance that it may impact access is Mount Gunnison: but the directions in the "Getting There" section sounds like it would bypass this project. I guess the biggest concern is the road he's trying to shut down in order to put up his train tracks? I would imagine the biggest impact may be to some folks' fishing holes. I don't know of many camping spots in the area either. Would love to hear of some though, we end up "commuting" to Hotchkiss from the Gunnison Reservoir when we head out there.

Unfortunately, there are already a lot of private land issues in that area. Most notably for me cut off access to a mountain very high on my list, "Chair Mountain". Luckily, after several attempts Cheeseburglar finally found a legal way through the back door on that guy.
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Re: another land grab

Postby ajkagy » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:11 pm

this has been playing out for awhile now...Koch is into the oil and gas business and it's no secret that the land around the raggeds wilderness that he wants is rich in fossil fuels. If he gets his way there is no telling how he might profit from it at the expensive of the public.
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Re: another land grab

Postby gb » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:51 pm


That photo is from the Raggeds trail just a bit North of the ranch by Tomahawk reservoir. The area would still be accessible, just not from Deep Creek. The proposed lands that the public would gain, especially with regards to Jumbo Mountain access, seem worth it. I'll probably visit that area this weekend to do a little riding, depending on what this storm does.

That said, the back-door dealings are pretty questionable, and I'm no fan of the Kochs or the loss of public access in general (same reason I oppose Wilderness designations).

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