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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Scott P » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:17 am

There is no way that rock has been perched like that for 170 million years.


That's just how old the rocks are, rather than the formation itself.

And let's be honest, with how precariously it was balanced, I can't imagine it would have been there too much longer.


The rocks in the valley are what makes it so special. It is one of my favorite places in the world. There are many such rocks in the valley, so there are still many more standing, but I've seen very few places in the world like Goblin Valley.

As you can see from the photos below there are many rocks that could be toppled if you wanted to, and they look like they may fall down soon, but they have actually been standing for centuries. One reason that they have lasted so long is because it seldom rains in the area.

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You are allowed to explore the rocks and even scramble up them at will, but you aren't supposed to push them over.

They could have used that excuse to topple any of the rocks above. I'm glad more people haven't pushed them over.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Mtnman200 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:31 am

My experience has been that there are people everywhere who do stupid things. As the father of two Eagle Scouts, the fact that the vandals in this case are reportedly "scout leaders" is embarrassing, and I hope that the authorities follow through with charging them with a crime. Understandably, there has been some bashing of Boy Scouts in this thread. I would like to point out that in general, scout leaders are just parents who have volunteered to help run things, and while their qualifications can be all over the map, the intentions are usually good.

I'd also like to point out that the good that Boy Scouts do far outweighs anything negative. As an example, below is a quote from a 10/16/13 email I received from one of my coworkers about her Eagle Scout son Curtis Ray ("Cray"), whose Eagle Court of Honor my wife and I attended on 4/13/13:

"Some of you already know – some of you don’t....so, I wanted to take a minute and share with y’all a bit of news about my son, Cray.

The Capitol Area Council for Boy Scouts of America has forwarded to the National BSA Council (in Irving), a request from the Williamson County EMS , for Cray to be considered for the Honor Medal with Crossed Palms. Since 1924, only 277 Scouts have been given this award.

On September 18, we were coming home from Cray’s basketball game. It was about 10:15 at night and we were travelling on Leander Road, which can be very dark and has several “S” curves. It was on one of these dark curves, that we came across a man lying in the road...”flopping” around. He had been in a one-man motorcycle accident – and his right leg had been ripped off. There were already 3 people on the scene – one was on the phone with 911, the other two stood there watching the man die.

Without hesitation or thoughts of his own safety, Cray jumped out of our car, ran over to the man, took off his basketball jersey and started a tourniquet. Curtis and I followed, but by the time we got the car parked, turned off and got over to the man, Cray had already secured the jersey around the stump, but it wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding. Curtis used his shirt as an additional tourniquet. Cray started looking for vitals, which he found a very faint pulse, and prepared his head/neck for CPR, while I was trying to talk to him, hold his hand, etc.... Once blood flow started to build back up in him, he was able to speak – but barely...he was in severe shock. Cray asked his name, DOB, and continued to maintain vitals. Another guy stopped, and handed over his military issued nylon belt, but couldn’t help with the gruesome first aid being rendered. Cray and Curtis used the belt to replace the jersey/shirt. DPS arrived on the scene about 9 minutes after we got there and supplied another tourniquet – and about 4 minutes after, EMS finally arrived and took him to Brackenridge. The man is the father of 3 year old twins and a 2 year old daughter. Though he lost his leg, and endured significant blood loss, he survived.

Cray –being only 15 years old, remained cool, calm and very collected during the whole ordeal. He demonstrated not only his first aid skills – but his love for mankind. He has grown up to be quite a young man and we are very, very proud of him....all 6’5” of him!

On October 29, 2013, at 9:30 a.m., Cray will be honored by Williamson County EMS during the Commissioner’s Court."


I don't think that Cray is actually eligible for the Honor Medal with Crossed Palms because that is reserved for cases in which the scout risked his own life, and from my coworker's description, it doesn't sound like he did. However, Cray certainly qualifies for the Lifesaving award. In any event, I'll bet that the injured man and his family will be forever thankful for the skills that Cray learned in Boy Scouts.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Scott P » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:37 am

I would like to point out that in general, scout leaders are just parents who have volunteered to help run things, and while their qualifications can be all over the map, the intentions are usually good.


In Utah, at least if you are a Mormon, you are "called" to be a scout leader rather than just step up and volunteer. Everyone in the LDS church is called for a certain duty. Many people called to be scout leaders don't have the slightest clue about what they are doing, or they don't give a crap about the environment. In my opinion at least, that is why the scouts in Utah get into so much trouble. Sadly, it is fairly common that they are being rescued, or caught doing some harm.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby tbonesaredelicious » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:16 am

I'm not saying these guys were right. In my opinion, they should have left well enough alone. Not having been There myself, I found this interesting write up of the geology in that area. http://geology.utah.gov/online/pdf/pi-65.pdf
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Rock-a-Fella » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:34 am

Fisching wrote:Wow. That video actually made my jaw drop in disbelief. What. The. F*ck.

By, hey, think of the all the precious children they saved. And here's to wishing a "get well soon" to the rock pusher from his permanent disability. Shall we put together an e-card and send it via his lawyer? I mean he would have pulverized that boulder into gravel had it not been for the limitations of his injury.

Also, can someone help Dex learn what a Straw Man logical fallacy is. He's killing the English teacher in me with the continuous logical absurdities.


Just saw a piece on Morning News (NBC). Looks like his "Disability Law Suit" from 4 years ago might be in trouble.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Scott P » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:49 am

Looks like his "Disability Law Suit" from 4 years ago might be in trouble.


Actually, the Disability Lawsuit was just filed last month and was a result of an accident four years ago. Apparently he is (or was) claiming in September that he is now disabled because of an accident back in 2009.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby tlongpine » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:08 am

Scott P wrote:
Looks like his "Disability Law Suit" from 4 years ago might be in trouble.


Actually, the Disability Lawsuit was just filed last month and was a result of an accident four years ago. Apparently he is (or was) claiming in September that he is now disabled because of an accident back in 2009.


What kind of thick-headed jackass files a disability lawsuit and then shares with the entire internet a video of himself moving the earth itself.

His troubles are just beginning. Beyond the criminal investigation that stems from the toppling itself, he's now jeopardized his disability suit, and probably exposed himself to an insurance fraud investigation.

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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Steve Climber » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:34 am

Food for thought. As easy as it is to go after the low-hanging fruit that these guys appear to be...

This guy is a PROFESSIONAL climber...this type of sh*t comes in all shapes and sizes.

http://www.adventure-journal.com/2013/10/professional-climber-cuts-down-juniper-trees-to-enable-new-route/
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Mel McKinney » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:50 pm

My experience has been that there are people everywhere who do stupid things. As the father of two Eagle Scouts, the fact that the vandals in this case are reportedly "scout leaders" is embarrassing, and I hope that the authorities follow through with charging them with a crime. Understandably, there has been some bashing of Boy Scouts in this thread. I would like to point out that in general, scout leaders are just parents who have volunteered to help run things, and while their qualifications can be all over the map, the intentions are usually good


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That's an incredible story on your co-worker's son. =D> Apparently he had good teachers, and will probably be a good teacher and role model himself. Yeah, I believe most scout leaders have good intentions. Like Chicago Transplant said earlier in the thread, education is vital. Unfortunately, these two are giving the rest a bad name, especially if what's coming out in the news is true.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby DrewR » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:22 pm

My father and one of his brothers are Eagle Scouts. I am an Eagle Scout and an active boy scout leader. My two boys are boy scouts and will one day be Eagle Scouts. It is and will continue to be a great organization. To claim that it is otherwise due to the inappropriate actions of these individuals or even a few "bad" troops (what any one individual realistically gets exposed to) is misguided. If an organization of any kind were bad due to a few bad apples then there wouldn't be a worthwhile organization/company anywhere. Their actions do not represent what the boy scouts stand for or what it teaches young scouts.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby Flyingfish » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:02 pm

Dex wrote:I'll also add that it gets a bad rap because it is a male organization - guilty until proven innocent.


Well actually the Boy Scouts are a Coed organization. They run the Venturing Program for girls and boys.
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Re: What were they thinking???

Postby tlongpine » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:27 pm

Dex wrote:
DrewR wrote:My father and one of his brothers are Eagle Scouts. I am an Eagle Scout and an active boy scout leader. My two boys are boy scouts and will one day be Eagle Scouts. It is and will continue to be a great organization. To claim that it is otherwise due to the inappropriate actions of these individuals or even a few "bad" troops (what any one individual realistically gets exposed to) is misguided. If an organization of any kind were bad due to a few bad apples then there wouldn't be a worthwhile organization/company anywhere. Their actions do not represent what the boy scouts stand for or what it teaches young scouts.


I'll also add that it gets a bad rap because it is a male organization - guilty until proven innocent. And, it is mostly found outside of NYC, LA, SF - AKA - fly-over territory, the sticks, etc.


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It can wait forever. I cannot.

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