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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby My-Therapy » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:10 am

bonehead wrote:Crowds, What Crowds.
If anyone had joined me on Horn last week,
we would have made a crowd of 2.
I saw no one all day.


I have hiked up Horn Peak 3 times (the first 2 times turned around due to weather) and I have never seen anyone else on the trail. I hiked/snowshoed once in March, hiked once in August, and once in September. In fact, most of the dozen or so hikes that I have done in the Sangre De Cristo's I have seen very few, if any other people.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby rijaca » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:14 am

What are the odds of encountering someone (the same person) on two separate mountains (and not even 14ers) on two consectutive weekends?
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby peter303 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:19 am

Pretty much the kinds of things you might do your first year in Colorado. Not very informative.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby bonehead » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:25 am

Horn TH parking lot was also empty.
Both upper and lower lots.
That TH accesses peaks and drainages
from Colony Baldy to past Horn.
Macey Lakes, Horn Lakes, Dry Lakes,
Cottonwood Creek and the Horn Peak Trail.
All lonely. Come Visit!
Hey, Westcliffe could use your money.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby benners » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:49 am

Back on an earlier topic - I don't buy the idea that numbers are going to increase substantially on the 13ers as a result of spillover from the 14ers. As Darin mentioned, there are ten times as many 13ers to choose from, and to take it further, many of them are more difficult than the hardest 14er, require more routefinding, don't have CFI constructed highways to the top, are looser and potentially more dangerous, and have much less info out there to go off of. There are many facets that "grease the tracks" for people to hike 14ers, the absence of which would likely prevent a portion of people from attempting them. I also don't see the obsession with The List going away anytime soon, which if we're being completely honest is the primary motivation for many to get up there and hike. I know a few people who have finished the 14ers and quit hiking peaks altogether afterwards, which I'm guessing is fairly common. With the 13ers, save for the Centennials, the list motivation is not realistic as there are 500+ ranked 13ers. Let's also not forget that a lot of 14er summer traffic, particularly on the easier peaks, is comprised of people from out of town who come to Colorado for a week or two a year and want to get some high peaks in. It's not likely that kind of traffic would spill over onto the 13ers, for obvious reasons.

I'm not trying to be an ass or sound like an elitist or something, I'm just bringing up some observations and facts that make me think traffic will not increase substantially on the 13ers as the 14ers become more popular. There may be a few close to Denver that turn into the 13er version of Quandary or Bierstadt, but I doubt we'll ever see a conga line up West Partner Peak in the Gores.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby SchralpTheGnar » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:23 am

rijaca wrote:What are the odds of encountering someone (the same person) on two separate mountains (and not even 14ers) on two consectutive weekends?


1 in 4.9 x 10^19 *

* This assumes that it's equally likely to meet any person on earth on a mountain and that the person is a sphere.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby TravelingMatt » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 am

If you double the number of people hiking a typical 13er, you'll go from maybe two or three people a week to four or five. You can probably still do Silverheels on a Tuesday and not see anyone.

OTOH if you double the number of people on Quandary... you do the math.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby ctlee » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:29 am

Hiked 18 FRONT RANGE 13ers last year-late summer-late fall and saw a total of 12 people on the routes. Had all but one summit to myself. It was worth suspending pursuit of the 14er list for the awesome solitude on these mountains. Weekdays off help!
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby Lemmiwinks » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:50 am

Glad to see references to 14ers.com and 13ers.com in the online article. Yes the info in the article is very basic, but beginners need to get that info somewhere, and not everyone knows about this website when they start out.
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby d_baker » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:24 am

rijaca wrote:What are the odds of encountering someone (the same person) on two separate mountains (and not even 14ers) on two consectutive weekends?

I bet you have a story with that, don't you? ;)
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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby jdawud » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:55 am

I like people and like seeing fellow outdoors people in the wilderness. Numbers can seem to get excessive at times, but I still view more people getting out and climbing the peaks as a positive thing. It's the lack of good backcountry ethics, etiquette, LNT practices, etc by some users that is tough for me to see. By no means do I think that most are poor users, indeed most are responsible (or try to be). But there is certainly a segment of people that go out and do things like leave TP behind that bush that is 2 feet from the trail, or leave trash tucked in a rock crevice, or leave a fire ring that aught not be there in the first place, or....

Remember the old rule "pack it in, pack it out"? Perhaps those of us who love the wilds must modify the rule to "pack it in, pack more out". Some other rules of thumb probably need an update too.

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Re: 5280 mag cover story

Postby Mike Cormier » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:43 am

rijaca wrote:What are the odds of encountering someone (the same person) on two separate mountains (and not even 14ers) on two consectutive weekends?


I don't know the odds, but I met nkan02 this past weekend on Torreys, as well as on Elbert the previous weekend. Perhaps I'll buy some lottery tickets...

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