inthemtns wrote:Steve Knapp wrote:Looks like you got into some deep water with this one D'Arcy. Nothing wrong with that, makes for an interesting discussion. I'm glad you have rules, more power to you. But I head to the peaks to get away from rules. I don't need to define mountaineer versus peakbagger. Its all about doing what you like, spending time outside, getting some great exercise, challenging yourself, spending time with others, I could go on. Its the old quality versus quantity argument, and I have just as much fun on quantity days as I do on quality days, if that can even be defined. I've climbed all the 14ers and over half the 13ers so far and have a great time doing it. But I also enjoy a 10-peak day of 8ers and 9ers, and have even climbed 4ers (ranked peaks far below the elevation I live at). If mountaineering is climbing Jagged, Dallas, the Grand Teton, etc then I love that. Some of the hardest peaks in the state are peaks far below the mountaineer's radar. Try something like Big Rock Candy Mountain, Chair Rocks, the Palisade. Get the skills to do it, and you can have as much fun as you would on Lizard Head. Just do what you love and don't worry about classifying it.
Peakbagging is not a bad word, embrace it.
Ah, Steve, the deep water doesn't bother me. And all of what you said -- which supports a balanced approach -- isn't that consistent with setting a reasonable goal on a list so you have time to do other things?
There are people who get so obsessed with a list, well I've heard of marriages being destroyed. I heard a story of a peak bagger who HAD to squeeze one more peak in at the end of the day, but that peak was at the expense of the spouse -- and soon to be ex-spouse -- waiting back in town. Another peak bagger admitted to me that the pursuit came at the expense of his or her job. If you get too caught up in this game of chasing peaks, you can loose a lot. Would setting a reasonable number of peaks to climb in a year help in these cases? "Oh, I've climbed 50 peaks this year, I guess I can go home to my spouse" versus "I still have hundreds of peaks to climb, I need the whole weekend to climb. Too bad for my love."
Some people are obsessive types. If mountains weren't the objects of the obsession, something else would be. In the case of marriages, it is extremely likely there were other issues. Perhaps the obsessed one was actually escaping a bad marriage to begin with. Obsessive people often have train wrecks for personal lives but they are also the ones to push the envelope, develop new ideas for business and pursue them, take risks and set records we all admire, etc. In other words, they often improve the lot of mankind in general even as their personal lives may be a mess or lacking entirely. Mountains aren't the problem nor the lack of rules or guidelines. You can try to spin your words but they still come off as very opinionated and judgmental. Even non obsessed people find that offensive. You can choose to learn from the reactions and reassess your attitudes. Ask yourself why so many find your post condescending.