Where is the SNOW!!!

Items that do not fit the categories above.
Forum rules
This forum is for general, mountaineering-related topics. For more details, please see the Terms of Use you agreed to when joining the forum.
User avatar
Point North
Posts: 182
Joined: 8/3/2006
14er Checklist Not Entered

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Point North » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:50 am

mountaingoat-G wrote:This is no BS.
http://climatechange.worldbank.org/sites/default/files/Turn_Down_the_heat_Why_a_4_degree_centrigrade_warmer_world_must_be_avoided.pdf

You can relay on cute icons or smart-ass graphs, but the reality is going to suck.


The report opens with this: "It is my hope that this report shocks us into action. Even for those of us already committed to fighting
climate change, I hope it causes us to work with much more urgency."

Unfortunately, I think we are well past the "tipping point" of runaway global warming. Even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today, the earth would continue to warm for some time due to the gasses already in the atmosphere.

But we're not stopping emissions. And didn't China and India give us the finger at the last climate change summit and refuse to agree to any emissions limits? We are screwed.
User avatar
ajkagy
Posts: 2663
Joined: 1/7/2007
14er Checklist Not Entered
Contact:

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:03 am

adkinsadam1 wrote:It looks like the chance for any real snow anywhere in the state for the next week is basically gone. The mountains maybe get 3inches but that is the maximum. Looks like continued dry for a while!


looks like some flurries friday, a bit more snow monday, then a pretty good storm for wednesday next week. The longer range mid DEC pattern looks really good. I'm feeling a pretty drastic change in a week or two.
User avatar
Bean
Posts: 2743
Joined: 11/2/2005
14er Checklist (29)
14ers Skied (28)
14ers in Winter (8)
13er Checklist (7)
Contact:

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Bean » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:06 am

ajkagy wrote:I'm feeling a pretty drastic change in a week or two.

Hearing this non-stop for the past year has been more annoying than the dry weather itself. I'm taking the studded snows off my commuter bike and putting some faster tires back on. Winter's cancelled.
"There are no hard 14ers, but some are easier than others." - Scott P
http://throughpolarizedeyes.com
User avatar
George James
Posts: 829
Joined: 8/24/2007
14er Checklist Not Entered

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby George James » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:20 am

adkinsadam1 wrote:It looks like the chance for any real snow anywhere in the state for the next week is basically gone. The mountains maybe get 3inches but that is the maximum. Looks like continued dry for a while!

I find your lack of faith disturbing...

ajkagy wrote:looks like some flurries friday, a bit more snow monday, then a pretty good storm for wednesday next week. The longer range mid DEC pattern looks really good. I'm feeling a pretty drastic change in a week or two.

...though I do wonder where you see a pretty good storm happening on Wednesday next week. Here's what I see:

NWS GRAND JUNCTION CO wrote:TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY A BROAD FLAT RIDGE REESTABLISHES ITSELF OVER THE SWRN U.S. AND THE FOUR CORNERS STATES...BRINGING ANOTHER PERIOD OF DRY WEATHER.
---
Point North wrote:We are screwed.
Bean wrote:Winter's cancelled.
- A mountain is not a checkbox to be ticked
- Alpinism and mountaineering are not restricted to 14,000 foot mountains
- Judgment and experience are the two most important pieces of gear you own
- Being honest to yourself and others about your abilities is a characteristic of experienced climbers
- Courage cannot be bought at REI or carried with you in your rucksack
~ The Baron Von Bergschrund
User avatar
SchralpTheGnar
Posts: 954
Joined: 2/26/2008
14er Checklist (50)
14ers Skied (48)
14ers in Winter (1)
13er Checklist (15)

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby SchralpTheGnar » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:24 am

I'm not worried about climate change as much as I am about the sun changing into a red giant and turning the surface of the earth into plasma. That's coming in about 4 billion years, are you prepared?
User avatar
ajkagy
Posts: 2663
Joined: 1/7/2007
14er Checklist Not Entered
Contact:

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:29 am

1200 GFS that just came out shows a storm/moisture sagging further south and hitting CO wed/thur next week, still a week out and will probably change, but I can hold onto something :)
User avatar
George James
Posts: 829
Joined: 8/24/2007
14er Checklist Not Entered

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby George James » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:13 am

Well don't stop believin I guess. Looks like Joel sees the same thing you're talkin bout, but wrote Thursday/Friday instead of Wednesday/Thursday.

It'll snow in Colorado or the season will be a perpetual road trip. Either way.
- A mountain is not a checkbox to be ticked
- Alpinism and mountaineering are not restricted to 14,000 foot mountains
- Judgment and experience are the two most important pieces of gear you own
- Being honest to yourself and others about your abilities is a characteristic of experienced climbers
- Courage cannot be bought at REI or carried with you in your rucksack
~ The Baron Von Bergschrund
User avatar
ajkagy
Posts: 2663
Joined: 1/7/2007
14er Checklist Not Entered
Contact:

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby ajkagy » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:16 am

George James wrote:Well don't stop believin I guess. Looks like Joel sees the same thing you're talkin bout, but wrote thursday/friday instead of wednesday/thursday.

It'll snow in Colorado or the season will be a perpetual road trip. Either way.


I'm amateur, believe in joel, he sees the same pattern change coming, but things are still a bit fuzzy. I think we'll have a much better idea of what is happening late next week.
User avatar
Buckshot Jake
Posts: 95
Joined: 6/25/2010
14er Checklist (58)
13er Checklist (35)
Contact:

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Buckshot Jake » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:18 pm

Everyone seems to forget that in the winter of 2010/2011 Colorado saw the highest accumulation of snowfall in over thirty years with blizzard conditions occurring as late as Memorial Day in some areas of the mountains. A-Basin stayed open until July 4th if I remember correctly. The last time that occurred, it was followed by similar droughts that we are seeing now. Relax people, we are having another drought year, it's not the end of the world. I'm sure in ten years when we look back the averages will still pretty much be level.
User avatar
RoanMtnMan
Posts: 790
Joined: 3/23/2008
14er Checklist (45)

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby RoanMtnMan » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:34 pm

I am headed to Shasta this weekend, who is in? I've skied it a whole bunch of times but it looks like it solves the current problem here.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/mount-shasta-snow-extreme-20121129
Always follow the 7 P's. Proper Planning & Preparation, Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

"An adventure is misery and discomfort, relived in the safety of reminiscence.” --Marco Polo

www.CalebWrayPhotography.com
User avatar
Carl
Posts: 1877
Joined: 5/20/2007
14er Checklist (58)
14ers Skied (58)
13er Checklist (30)

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby Carl » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:34 pm

RoanMtnMan wrote:I am headed to Shasta this weekend, who is in? I've skied it a whole bunch of times but it looks like it solves the current problem here.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/mount-shasta-snow-extreme-20121129


Woah, 176 to 218 inches in 4 days ain't bad. Sounds like the total any central or northern CO resort had all of last year. Might make sense to wait until next weekend ya think? Looks like airfare to Reno or Sacramento then can be had for $300.
User avatar
mountaingoat-G
Posts: 902
Joined: 9/21/2007
14er Checklist (22)
14ers Skied (3)
13er Checklist (14)

Re: Where is the SNOW!!!

Postby mountaingoat-G » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:43 pm

Buckshot Jake wrote:Everyone seems to forget that in the winter of 2010/2011 Colorado saw the highest accumulation of snowfall in over thirty years with blizzard conditions occurring as late as Memorial Day in some areas of the mountains. A-Basin stayed open until July 4th if I remember correctly. The last time that occurred, it was followed by similar droughts that we are seeing now. Relax people, we are having another drought year, it's not the end of the world. I'm sure in ten years when we look back the averages will still pretty much be level.



No one that I know has forgotten that. But also remember the good weather (snow) was farther west than the front range and there were forest fires in the foothills west of Golden & Boulder in March 2010.

The science is big picture stuff. Nothing therein says it will never snow again, rather the reliability of it is going away and the (not so) gradual trend will be that we will see less & less of it as time goes on.

Return to “General Mountaineering Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests